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Killington Open Until May 2

tcharron

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I think you're far too high in that estimate.

For a 9 to 4 day, the cost to operate one lift and minimally staff a base lodge comes in at around $1,000. Ignoring the benefits of increased season pass sales, you'd have to sell 30 day tickets at $35.00/day to cover your expenses. Even if my cocktail napkin calculation is off, I still don't see how you can get to your $5,000 to $10,000/day number.

There's several factors to it overall.

The first issue is the arrangements made to actually get a power for the lifts. Generally speaking, in order to get the juice flowing, the power company itself charges a fixed cost charge to have the juice turned on. Now, I'm not sure how their circuits work ON the mountain, but they aren't coming thru the same lines as say, the base lodge power is coming thru. I don't recall what mountain it was, but sometime, I think last year, at least one mountain had spoken up as to why they wheren't open, and it came down to having to make a 1 grand payment to actually have the power itself just turned on.

There are a whole slew of other things that could be taken into consideration. Taxes for the sheer pleasure of having the lifts running, pretty sure Vermont has that. Insurance costs. Trash removal.

In truth, you're right, the numbers 5-10k for a day is pretty high. I suppose it's a moot point, as we'll never know what it would cost them to stay open for an extra day. But I'd bet, as shewd businessmen, one of the major factors was, 'We won't make any money'. Is there unmeasurable bennies in marketting and customer satisfaction? Sure, a little.
 

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There's several factors to it overall.

The first issue is the arrangements made to actually get a power for the lifts. Generally speaking, in order to get the juice flowing, the power company itself charges a fixed cost charge to have the juice turned on. Now, I'm not sure how their circuits work ON the mountain, but they aren't coming thru the same lines as say, the base lodge power is coming thru. I don't recall what mountain it was, but sometime, I think last year, at least one mountain had spoken up as to why they wheren't open, and it came down to having to make a 1 grand payment to actually have the power itself just turned on.

There are a whole slew of other things that could be taken into consideration. Taxes for the sheer pleasure of having the lifts running, pretty sure Vermont has that. Insurance costs. Trash removal.

In truth, you're right, the numbers 5-10k for a day is pretty high. I suppose it's a moot point, as we'll never know what it would cost them to stay open for an extra day. But I'd bet, as shewd businessmen, one of the major factors was, 'We won't make any money'. Is there unmeasurable bennies in marketting and customer satisfaction? Sure, a little.

I can't seem to find it on their Website, but I recall seeing something last year that you could rent all of Shawnee Peak, ME for $4500 for the day. Off that number, one might guess that running Superstar for a day would run in the neighborhood of $2500? just a guess
 

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Leaving alot on the table here....

In fact, with the correct strategy and some signifigant investment, they could offer YEAR-ROUND skiing at the top of Killington. Look up "IDE snowmaker", they are already being installed on glaciers in Europe for making snow during the summer. That, plus a lift on middle-upper downdraft, would allow them to offer 700ft of vert on Cascade and Downdraft, above 3400ft. One trail with bumps, the other with a park, and a groomed section. Cover the snow with insulating blankets when not in use, or when it's raining. The K-1, for access, runs all summer anyway.

If people are willing to fly to south america, or head west to mogul camps, or to europe, or to Xanadu in NJ.....then I'm pretty sure they would get a good crowd. Operate on Friday to Sunday, and rent midweek days to race teams. I'm sure they could sell a summer skiing pass, and $50+ day tickets. You would probably get even more people just visiting to check out the snow. Food/bev sales at the peak lodge would be to a captive audience. Having something like this would REALLY boost demand for a base Village.....

Dooo it.....lol.



http://www.ropeways.net/index.htm?karo=1651

Dude, that is so Tenney Mountain, circa 2003-2004. We know how well that turned out. :roll:
 
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Leaving alot on the table here....

Back in the mid-late '90's, Killington set a record for only being closed for 100 DAYS. They closed in late June and re-opened in early October. This was at the peak of the ASC days.

Point is, having skiing available for a majority of the year allowed Killington to dominate the east in skier visits. It drew in people to buy passes, people from other areas early and late season, and sustained a larger level of activity there year round. Ski season had a strong overlap with mountain biking and golf.

Even during the last few years of ASC, buying a cheap bronze pass allowed people to ski Killington early and late season, and spend the mid-season at their home areas.

Now, they have the same season length as most other major resorts. The opening on Nov. 2nd this year was pretty much uncrowded, and I'm guessing April will be as well. They competely shut down for May, and everybody forgets about Killington.

Killington's "killer-app" was the looooong season with little downtime in the summer months. It helped build the area. They need to return to it.

In fact, with the correct strategy and some signifigant investment, they could offer YEAR-ROUND skiing at the top of Killington. Look up "IDE snowmaker", they are already being installed on glaciers in Europe for making snow during the summer. That, plus a lift on middle-upper downdraft, would allow them to offer 700ft of vert on Cascade and Downdraft, above 3400ft. One trail with bumps, the other with a park, and a groomed section. Cover the snow with insulating blankets when not in use, or when it's raining. The K-1, for access, runs all summer anyway.

If people are willing to fly to south america, or head west to mogul camps, or to europe, or to Xanadu in NJ.....then I'm pretty sure they would get a good crowd. Operate on Friday to Sunday, and rent midweek days to race teams. I'm sure they could sell a summer skiing pass, and $50+ day tickets. You would probably get even more people just visiting to check out the snow. Food/bev sales at the peak lodge would be to a captive audience. Having something like this would REALLY boost demand for a base Village.....

Dooo it.....lol.



http://www.ropeways.net/index.htm?karo=1651


The IDE machines look sweet..the snow it produces is suitable for top 30 extreme-type mandatory GS..in with the Access road social scene type of guy...
 

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Just returned from product testing on Cascade, Highline and DD. Very nice!
We're working on offering expanded lifts and terrain past this weekend. Details to follow ...

Sweet! Keep the K1 running through next weekend. I'm planning to head up next Friday. Also, save some fuel and please keep the brutal grooming to a minimum. Bump it out for the rest of the year!
 

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Here is the plan...

The K-1 Gondola and the Superstar Express will operate daily through April 19 serving Blue Square and Black Diamond terrain only. From April 20 through May 2, the Superstar Express will run daily serving Superstar, Skyelark and Bittersweet trails. The K-1 Gondola will operate on April 25-26 and again on May 1-2 serving Blue Square and Black Diamond terrain off Killington Peak.
 

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Here is the plan...

The K-1 Gondola and the Superstar Express will operate daily through April 19 serving Blue Square and Black Diamond terrain only. From April 20 through May 2, the Superstar Express will run daily serving Superstar, Skyelark and Bittersweet trails. The K-1 Gondola will operate on April 25-26 and again on May 1-2 serving Blue Square and Black Diamond terrain off Killington Peak.

Oh man. Sweetness! May Day is going to be great. What's the grooming approach? Specifically Superstar?
 

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Oh man. Sweetness! May Day is going to be great. What's the grooming approach? Specifically Superstar?

great news Tom. Thanks.

any ideas with the grooming layout post April 19? Thanks again
 

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here is the plan...

The k-1 gondola and the superstar express will operate daily through april 19 serving blue square and black diamond terrain only. From april 20 through may 2, the superstar express will run daily serving superstar, skyelark and bittersweet trails. The k-1 gondola will operate on april 25-26 and again on may 1-2 serving blue square and black diamond terrain off killington peak.

niiiiice!
 

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Wildcat is NOT Killington.

You're a genious. Bob was just sharing, but because of your brilliance, I bet you know which mountain has quite a bit more continuous vertical drop. Hint: It's NOT Killington! :uzi:
 

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You're a genious. Bob was just sharing, but because of your brilliance, I bet you know which mountain has quite a bit more continuous vertical drop. Hint: It's NOT Killington! :uzi:

Lol....you can ski all 3,000+ feet of Killington's vert in one shot, last time I checked.
 

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Lol....you can ski all 3,000+ feet of Killington's vert in one shot, last time I checked.

Mandatory GS turns required, and only those in Killington's top 30 can do it with any sort of style...
 

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Lol....you can ski all 3,000+ feet of Killington's vert in one shot, last time I checked.
He said continuous vertical drop. I'll admit to being uninformed here in the form of relying on second-hand knowledge as I haven't skied it myself, but I'm pretty sure Juggernaut goes uphill in some parts. So not a continuous vertical drop. Plus you have to cross parking lots and roads, so unless you're ok with skiing gravel and rock, your skis are coming off.
 

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He said continuous vertical drop. I'll admit to being uninformed here in the form of relying on second-hand knowledge as I haven't skied it myself, but I'm pretty sure Juggernaut goes uphill in some parts. So not a continuous vertical drop. Plus you have to cross parking lots and roads, so unless you're ok with skiing gravel and rock, your skis are coming off.

Yet another BRILLIANT post by Killington's most uninformed poster. You really are in rare form today, aren't you!!!!

It's rather easy to ski top to bottom on Killington, plenty of beginners do it every day, without skiing uphill or crossing parking lots. Or Juggernaut.
 
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