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ss20

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Alterra could very well be better than Powdr. They don't seem to worry too much about capex (like Vail) but also have pretty solid operations (not like Vail). That's what Killington needs, GOOD OPERATIONS. Vail could buy the place and throw $100 million at it in capex and it would be a complete shitshow given Vail's lack of operational ability across the board.

I am glad I left when Powdr really let the place go post-pandemic. I tend to be more positive with them than many. 15 years of ownership netted the new KBL, 2 new high speed lifts, a new fixed grip, and a relocated fixed grip. Throw in the early season stairs, WC, the tunnels, building a massive summer operations, and doing a decent job fixing ASC's neglect. No, they didn't make snow like ASC 2002, but they still open first and close last.


Killington/Pico is a behemoth and was built/designed to chew through massive amounts of labor and diesel. 20 lifts and 6 lodges operating everyday of the week. An antiquated snowmaking system which, even if it stayed below 32 degrees November 1-January 1, would still not have all their snowmaking terrain open. I do not envy any future operator and wish them the best. Replacing the Skyeship and the snowmaking system are going to be some of the largest capex projects in the history of the modern new England ski industry. Total replacement of the Skyeship will cost somewhere in the range of $20-$40 mil. And it runs 3 months of the year. Ouch.
 

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What 20 lifts and 6 lodges operate every day of the week? Mid season there are 4.5 lodges and maybe 10 lifts running everyday of the week.
 

Newpylong

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Alterra could very well be better than Powdr. They don't seem to worry too much about capex (like Vail) but also have pretty solid operations (not like Vail). That's what Killington needs, GOOD OPERATIONS. Vail could buy the place and throw $100 million at it in capex and it would be a complete shitshow given Vail's lack of operational ability across the board.

I am glad I left when Powdr really let the place go post-pandemic. I tend to be more positive with them than many. 15 years of ownership netted the new KBL, 2 new high speed lifts, a new fixed grip, and a relocated fixed grip. Throw in the early season stairs, WC, the tunnels, building a massive summer operations, and doing a decent job fixing ASC's neglect. No, they didn't make snow like ASC 2002, but they still open first and close last.


Killington/Pico is a behemoth and was built/designed to chew through massive amounts of labor and diesel. 20 lifts and 6 lodges operating everyday of the week. An antiquated snowmaking system which, even if it stayed below 32 degrees November 1-January 1, would still not have all their snowmaking terrain open. I do not envy any future operator and wish them the best. Replacing the Skyeship and the snowmaking system are going to be some of the largest capex projects in the history of the modern new England ski industry. Total replacement of the Skyeship will cost somewhere in the range of $20-$40 mil. And it runs 3 months of the year. Ouch.

Skyeship does not need to be, and will not be replaced. New cabins minimum, ideally upgraded drives/ controls. The lift has good bones.

I am skeptical of a sale but whoever owns the place needs to get serious about snowmaking capacity and efficiency. Right now they put the same amount of water on the hill as a mountain half their size and for three times the cost. I won't shed a tear if Alterra picks them up.
 
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boston_e

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It will be interesting to see if this rumor is true. And if so, who the buyer is.

Overall i think Powdr has done a good job with the resort. Some hiccups of course which would likely be the case with any owners.

My biggest complaint has been the lack of reciprocity for our season passes at the other Powdr owned resorts.

I'm mixed on Alterra. One one hand, we would get the reciprocity with the ikon. On the other hand, i fear we would get even more of the Ikon Swarm than we already do if we were unlimited on Ikon.

Either way though, at the end of it all, the mountain will still be there and we will still go skiing.
 

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So many questions if this is for real

* Will new owners continue with early and late season operation or will they cut back ?
* pass affiliation - if bought by Alterra will Killington go unlimited for IKON passholders ? That might relieve some of the pressure on Stratton and Sugarbush, at the expense of more crowds at Killington. What happens to Beast 365 pass ? (With Federal antitrust regulators investigating Alterra’s purchase of A-Basin, would they really be so bold as to purchase another major ski area ?)
* Will Women’s World Cup continue ?
* Many workhorse lifts are getting old - Bear Mountain (1970s), Superstar, Snowshed (1980s), Canyon, Needles Eye, Northbrook, Ramshead (90s). Will new owners make capital investments, take care of deferred maintenance on snowmaking system and Skyeship ?
* Effect on Killington Village master plan and Bear Mountain redevelopment
* Will events like Bear Mountain Mogul challenge, Pond Skim, June skiing continue without adding additional rules and fun police ?
* Will new owners continue to run Pico as a semi-separate entity, sell it off, or maybe try to complete the interconnect ?
 

wildgopher

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It will be interesting to see if this rumor is true. And if so, who the buyer is.

Overall i think Powdr has done a good job with the resort. Some hiccups of course which would likely be the case with any owners.

My biggest complaint has been the lack of reciprocity for our season passes at the other Powdr owned resorts.

I'm mixed on Alterra. One one hand, we would get the reciprocity with the ikon. On the other hand, i fear we would get even more of the Ikon Swarm than we already do if we were unlimited on Ikon.

Either way though, at the end of it all, the mountain will still be there and we will still go skiing.
 

BodeMiller1

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Peak webcam has been down for too long. It's great that the top of Cannon is now on the Mt Washington web list.

 

KustyTheKlown

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hi hello. hope everyone is having a nice summer. i came here after hearing winds of a killington sale. what gives?

i have booked banff and revelstoke for the 2nd half of feb. made out like a bandit on the hotels.

wont be so long now.
 

djd66

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hi hello. hope everyone is having a nice summer. i came here after hearing winds of a killington sale. what gives?

i have booked banff and revelstoke for the 2nd half of feb. made out like a bandit on the hotels.

wont be so long now.
Good to see you back, Granite has been asking for you πŸ€ͺ
 

BodeMiller1

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Granite is right about everything.

Edit: Killington is always for sale. Welcome to Corporate America.

MEOW
 
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thetrailboss

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I would be shocked if it were anybody but Alterra. Maybe an outside chance of Boyne, but it just feels like Alterra wants the same foothold as Vail has in Vermont and this would get it for them.

Don't even joke about Vail buying Killington πŸ˜†
Sugarbush and Stratton don’t count?
 
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