Man Kills Cat

[andyzee]

Let's look at it from a different angle. Assuming this man gets the two years jail time that they're talking about:

Average annual cost for housing a prisoner: $20000
Jury cost, not sure about number, but assuming 9 jurors at $750 weekly wage= $6750
Court costs for, what I believe to be a coservative figure 2000 a day x 3 = $6000
Attorney fees approx $10000

Total = $42750

Some of these figures I googled, some I guessed, but regardless, it's a hefty fee for a cat. Say what you will about animal rights and cruelty and what have you. Personally I do not want approx. $30000 of my tax money going to cases like this (subtracted defendant and juror cost). I say if the man is found guilty, charge him a substantial fine and restitution. Should not be a jury trial, should not be a jail sentence.

 

[deadheadskier]

Somehow I think in this situation, losing freedom and sharing jail cell #9 with uncle hangnail is a bigger deterrent than a fine.......I'll steer clear of the tax money issue as there are far bigger mis-appropriations of citizen money to worry about. Have to kill several million cats to pay for the messy sand box in the 'holy land'

 

[Dr Skimeister]

It's well documented that animal cruelty has been the precursor to many more violent acts by many heinous criminals. This has been recognized by our legislators, hence the laws and the associated punishments.

Hawk-your callousness towards this, and animals in general really bothers me. Hopefully you will be found out in whatever psychological evaluation you'll have to undergo before they let you carry a weapon around.

 

[Warp Daddy]

Put this individual AWAY , this behavior is a precursor to worse if left to chance --

 

[Warp Daddy]

Hawk i also hope your thoughts were but a callous attempt at humor

 

[deadheadskier]

It's well documented that animal cruelty has been the precursor to many more violent acts by many heinous criminals. This has been recognized by our legislators, hence the laws and the associated punishments.
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....with the notable exception of blowing up frogs.....that behavior gets a free pass for certain offices :grin:

 

[andyzee]

So let's see, using the above rationale, we should:

Lock up a shoplifter for a number of years before he starts robbing banks or little old ladies.
Lock up the drunk walking down the street before he has a chance to get in his car.
Lock up the pot smoker before he has a chance to start importing heroin......

and on and on......

 

[wa-loaf]

So let's see, using the above rationale, we should:

The guy broke the law, he should be punished under the requirements of the law. There certainly are different degrees of crime and killing something shows somethone much more pathological than shoplifting or pot smoking.

Lock up a shoplifter for a number of years before he starts robbing banks or little old ladies.
Shoplifters generally don't kill people or animals, and they should be punished according to the law.

Lock up the drunk walking down the street before he has a chance to get in his car.
The drunk hasn't broken the law until he gets in the the car, so no.

Lock up the pot smoker before he has a chance to start importing heroin......
Even though I don't agree with this law, the fact is it is illegal and thus punishable. Whether jail time is involved or not.


Plus we've got worse cat abusers than you NY pansies. ;-)

 

[dmc]

Sort of joking. But I have seen it on several news stations today, and think it is extremely pathetic that it gets any news time on any stations.........Much more important things in life than a cat.

My cats are part of my family... Just like my friends with dogs... I love them both...
Dog and cats share special bonds with their owners...

I hope the mother f'er rots in prison for this abuse...

And frankly... If he can kill a cat with such ease... I'd be afraid he could also kill a human...

 

[dmc]

Let's look at it from a different angle. Assuming this man gets the two years jail time that they're talking about:

Average annual cost for housing a prisoner: $20000
Jury cost, not sure about number, but assuming 9 jurors at $750 weekly wage= $6750
Court costs for, what I believe to be a coservative figure 2000 a day x 3 = $6000
Attorney fees approx $10000

Total = $42750

Some of these figures I googled, some I guessed, but regardless, it's a hefty fee for a cat. Say what you will about animal rights and cruelty and what have you. Personally I do not want approx. $30000 of my tax money going to cases like this (subtracted defendant and juror cost). I say if the man is found guilty, charge him a substantial fine and restitution. Should not be a jury trial, should not be a jail sentence.

And people should go to jail for smoking a joint...

I'm for taking this guy out of the general populous... He's a menace...

 

[dmc]

Give Hawk a break..I can be sarcastic as well..but not about cats and dogs..for me..it can be sadder when a pet dies than a person. Dogs and cats are always friendly and even friendly people are sometimes a-holes..so I'm glad the guy is getting a solid punishment..it will hopefully teach other pet abusers to take out their aggresions at a driving range or a gym..not on an innocent pet..

word

 

[severine]

Cruelty to animals is usually a precursor to more violent crimes. Lock him up.

Yup.

there is something wrong with people that feel the need to exert their will and power over people or animals that can not defend them selves. they should be castrated and not alowed to reproduce. they are not the type of people we need in the gene pool.

i do not have a problem with hunting as long as the the hunter is actually going to eat what they kill otherwise its a stupid act and when i fish i catch and release.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Somehow I think in this situation, losing freedom and sharing jail cell #9 with uncle hangnail is a bigger deterrent than a fine.......I'll steer clear of the tax money issue as there are far bigger mis-appropriations of citizen money to worry about. Have to kill several million cats to pay for the messy sand box in the 'holy land'

Agree. (And really, let's keep the money out of this because DHS is totally right... there are so many other ways taxpayer money is frittered away it's not even funny. If it has to be spent to deter and punish those who are potentially dangerous and are breaking laws, then so be it. Money well spent.)

 

[Philpug]

I have had numerous jokes about my lack of affection for cats over at Epic, such as "microwaves are the size they are because of the size of cats", but by no means do I condone cruelty to animals.

 

[dmc]

I have had numerous jokes about my lack of affection for cats over at Epic, such as "microwaves are the size they are because of the size of cats", but by no means do I condone cruelty to animals.

sucks... Even joking about it sucks...

i don't like something... So I'll joke about torturing it.... great... :roll::roll:

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Cruelty to animals is usually a precursor to more violent crimes. Lock him up.

+1

 

[ed-drum]

Let's see, the guy was drinking heavily and so he took it out on a cat instead of a person. Are we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer here? This was his "hobby" before he killed and ate people. Ed Gein too . ALL serial killers killed and tortured animals in the early stages of their disease. People treat and think of animals the way their parents treated them. It is not a funny topic. "Busters Law " here in N.Y. was finally enacted after that sociopath set Buster the cat on fire. The poor thing died a few days later. It is now a felony to hurt an animal with malice. Anyone who defends a psycho needs serious counseling.

 

[dmc]

Are we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer here? This was his "hobby" before he killed and ate people.

Good point...

 

[2knees]

I love cats, have one now and have had many throughout my life. I love animals, for the most part. (I could do without the family of skunks that terrorizes my neighborhood every night) But i think what some people take issue with is, and i know i do, is the amount of coverage this gets while far worse crimes are committed and merely passed off as everyday occurrences. I would've liked to have seen the same amount of coverage that was given to the Vick case applied to any number of child molestors, pedophiles etc that happen on a much more regular basis. Its not that i dont think what this guy did is horrible, its just sometimes it seems to me we dont focus our energy in the most appropriate of places.

my .02 so to speak.

now back to your regularly scheduled flaming and overreacting. :razz:

 

[hardline]

Let's see, the guy was drinking heavily and so he took it out on a cat instead of a person. Are we talking about Jeffrey Dahmer here? This was his "hobby" before he killed and ate people. Ed Gein too . ALL serial killers killed and tortured animals in the early stages of their disease. People treat and think of animals the way their parents treated them. It is not a funny topic. "Busters Law " here in N.Y. was finally enacted after that sociopath set Buster the cat on fire. The poor thing died a few days later. It is now a felony to hurt an animal with malice. Anyone who defends a psycho needs serious counseling.

the problem is that if a person has no problem hurting somethign or someone that can't defend its self has something that is just intrinsically wrong with them and they graduate to more hanus things very quickly. the simple answer is castration. i am very serious about this. have you every seen a castrated bull its a shell of its former self. this just one of those things that get me really angry. more than politics

 

[hardline]

I love cats, have one now and have had many throughout my life. I love animals, for the most part. (I could do without the family of skunks that terrorizes my neighborhood every night) But i think what some people take issue with is, and i know i do, is the amount of coverage this gets while far worse crimes are committed and merely passed off as everyday occurrences. I would've liked to have seen the same amount of coverage that was given to the Vick case applied to any number of child molestors, pedophiles etc that happen on a much more regular basis. Its not that i dont think what this guy did is horrible, its just sometimes it seems to me we dont focus our energy in the most appropriate of places.

my .02 so to speak.

now back to your regularly scheduled flaming and overreacting. :razz:

my freind had a pet skunk. he was actually pretty cool. always followed us around the yard and was always getting ing to trouble. it was funny to watch the things he did. he once got stuck in a piece of rain gutter.