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Mass market gas price hysteria- $12 a gallon gas

ctenidae

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Israel will do the dirty work in this one not us .. the only way to take the facilities out is with a ground assault with tactical nucs .. the major facilities are deep underground.. so I hear.

Israel can't do it without us- they'll have to refuel their planes, which means the tankers will have to orbit in Iraqi airspace, which means we have to give permission. Their SAR helicopters will have to stage out of Iraq, too. If we let Israel do it, then we're in double trouble- helping Israel AND bombing Iran. If we just do it ourselves, then we're still Israel's handmaiden, but we did it ourselves.
 

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I think if we were to bomb Iran....I'm packing up and moving to switzerland. I'm tired of this crap
 

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I'm venting here but ,if we can't ratchet up our technological intellect and the intellectual and financial capital to rationally and systematicall deliver BETTER results on alternatives - it may be time to seriously consider nationalizing the Greed hog oil corps C'mon guys alternatives are no longer a debate its time @ $6 /gal to FIND A SOLUTION NOW
WE NEED REAL LEADERSHIP AND SOON or we suffer second tier status within a generation
Sorry so late Warp....
I bought Toyota Corollas from 1973 to 1995. Have seen several Smart-cars, among others...Kia Spectra, etc. The Hybrids are in their infancy, but they're here to stay. I'm waiting with my 93' Accord to see how Toyota's doing with the Prius line.
The American auto makers have always been late....too many levels of Supervisors/VPs with giant salaries to affect changes.
We can and will get off, as much as possible, of fossil fuels....too much monopoly to big oil...and out of sight prices... I think it's going to be interesting to watch WallStreet and big oil prices....when next year's hybrids are on the shelves. It's all about speculation. It was in 73'. Tankers just sat off both coasts waiting for WallStreet and the "OK" from the oil CEOs for profits.

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I think if we were to bomb Iran....I'm packing up and moving to switzerland. I'm tired of this crap

I've been trying like hell to get my woman to warm up to this idea for a long time. Switzerland is my exact pic too!!!! I spent almost a year over in Europe and whenever anyone asked where I was from I told them Nova Scotia..... except when in Isreal.
 

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I've been trying like hell to get my woman to warm up to this idea for a long time. Switzerland is my exact pic too!!!! I spent almost a year over in Europe and whenever anyone asked where I was from I told them Nova Scotia..... except when in Isreal.

you know, I was very close to heading off to New Zealand indefinitely about 4 years ago. Essentially you need to make your move there pre age 30 or they want no part of you unless you're a doctor. Once over age 30 you have to deposit 300K in a New Zealand bank to demonstrate legitimate interest in being a productive member of society as apparently their social programs are a real draw and a lot of dead beats go there.

I wonder what the restrictions are for relocating to a country like Switzerland.

end of day, I'll probably never leave New England again. I did my four years away from here. Family and sense of place are strong despite all the BS I/we put up with as US citizens that often lead me to believe there might be better options out there.
 

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Have you guys seen the old movie White Christmas? Those guys rode the train to Vermont to come up and ski. Imagine that, train service.

I'm of the opinion that sooner or later we're going to have to rebuild that national rail network that we so foolishly tore up because gas was so cheap. It's going to be expensive.
 

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I won't get into religion other than to say I don't partake

That said, I'd make time on Sundays if it meant $2.50 gas again. :lol: It's not too much to ask is it? Heck, January 07' the price was $2.17.
 
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I paid $3.83 is Fredericksburg Virginia this morning..here in PA..gas is at or below what it was 8 days ago...why is that with oil prices at record highs??? Why is there such a large lag?
 

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I paid $3.83 is Fredericksburg Virginia this morning..here in PA..gas is at or below what it was 8 days ago...why is that with oil prices at record highs??? Why is there such a large lag?

Comparing states is like apple and oranges. There are some regulations in effect that prevent gas stations from jacking prices up exponentially and how frequently. Additionally, the price of oil is a "futures" price, so the gas you pump today is from oil bought in the past at a lower price.
 

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Comparing states is like apple and oranges. There are some regulations in effect that prevent gas stations from jacking prices up exponentially and how frequently. Additionally, the price of oil is a "futures" price, so the gas you pump today is from oil bought in the past at a lower price.

You also get a supply/demand dynamic that's different from that for oil. In anticipation of higher demand, refineries up the amount of gas they produce and store it. If the demand doesn't happen, then there's an oversupply, if only briefly. Just before the 4th, oil stocks were down, but gas stocks were up. Gas prices have resumed their inexhorable climb, don't you worry.
 
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