Mid fat advice

[mondeo]

So, after the last couple powder days, I've been thinking I need a fatter ski for those 10% of days where bump skis just mean extra effort. Still want something decent in bumps in case a few pop up, so no powder skis even though that's what I'll be using them as. Twin tips might also be good in case I want to hit the park. Thinking something along the lines of Trouble Makers.

Anything I'm missing here?

 

[Trekchick]

Blizzard Titan Cronus!!

 

[deadheadskier]

I can only comment on dimensions, not specific skis themselves as I haven't tried nearly as many different kinds of skis as most. I know my B2s are great in the bumps, but at 116-78-105 they help very little in conditions deeper than 5-6 inches. My true Powder ski is 115-120ish underfoot with almost no side cut (1999ish model year) and they actually work great in powder bumps.

I would aim for 90 + underfoot and go about 10cm longer than your bump skis. My B2s are 174, the Axioms are 184.

Perhaps a Fischer Watea 94?

 

[Creakyknees]

Go with the B2's great ski for any depth snow, the 78mm under foot is perfect. you do not need a ski over 100mm under foot. The B2 has a soft shovel for moguls and it holds well on ice.

 

[deadheadskier]

Go with the B2's great ski for any depth snow, the 78mm under foot is perfect. you do not need a ski over 100mm under foot. The B2 has a soft shovel for moguls and it holds well on ice.

completely disagree, especially with your ice hold assessment. I like the B2, but it's ice hold performance is borderline horrid. The BX is far superior in those conditions and I think it has more to do with the wood core than the 70 mm waist on it. These two models are my primary skis, with an old school Axiom powder ski in the quiver as well. I would definitely NOT recommend the B2 for someone looking for a somewhat powder specific board.

This is also the second thread you've suggested there is no need to go over 100 mm under foot and the other thread you admitted lack of experience on such skis. For his stated purpose, I would put 90 as the starting point, but I'm sure there are certain current boards over 100 that work well in bumps and those skis shouldn't be eliminated from the discussion. I thought I read Greg mention Mr. Magic skiing a 105 in the bumps and ripping it. You may want to check out what he's riding.

 

[snoseek]

I would also consider the Wateau 94. I ski a wateau 101 for deep days and the are awesome in soft bumps, even @ 193 length. I would pay the $$$ to demo as many different models as possible. Try out some of the smaller brands out there as many are excellent value (less marketing?) and constructed better IMO. My everyday ski has over 200 days and still have a some life left.

 

[snoseek]

Go with the B2's great ski for any depth snow, the 78mm under foot is perfect. you do not need a ski over 100mm under foot. The B2 has a soft shovel for moguls and it holds well on ice.

Your talking about a one ski quiver. He wants a ski to rip on deep days, ice grip would not be a concern on a powder day. He already has mogul skis for everyday skiing. Oh, and noone really needs 100+ mm but then again noone really needs shaped skis, fiberglass skis, plastic boot shells, gore-tex ect.... but skiing and equipment continues to evolve. If you have never skied 100+ mm on a soft day you should try it, it's really fun.

 

[Creakyknees]

completely disagree, especially with your ice hold assessment. I like the B2, but it's ice hold performance is borderline horrid.

Not sure if you know this you are able too sharpen the steel edges of the skis. I did not say the B2 was great on ice I wrote "it held well on ice"

We are talking east coast powder it's gone in a few hours and you are than skiing hard pack or ice. I don't think Mondeo needs a powder specific ski just an all-around ski. As for Ice I understand this is not a slalom ski so the B2 will be fine, I have been on this ski for two years.
I didn't say you couldn't ski bumps on skis over 100mm I just do not see the need for this size ski on the east coast.
As for experience I have never gotten my tongue pierced but I could tell you it will hurt, so I don't need that much experience to tell you that 100mm is much too wide.
As for the reviews from ski magazines the testers only get and hour or two with (if that much) with each piece of equipment is this enough experience for you to get an opinion.

Stay thin it's more of a challenge

 

[deadheadskier]

Not sure if you know this you are able too sharpen the steel edges of the skis. I did not say the B2 was great on ice I wrote "it held well on ice"

We are talking east coast powder it's gone in a few hours and you are than skiing hard pack or ice. I don't think Mondeo needs a powder specific ski just an all-around ski. As for Ice I understand this is not a slalom ski so the B2 will be fine, I have been on this ski for two years.
I didn't say you couldn't ski bumps on skis over 100mm I just do not see the need for this size ski on the east coast.
As for experience I have never gotten my tongue pierced but I could tell you it will hurt, so I don't need that much experience to tell you that 100mm is much too wide.
As for the reviews from ski magazines the testers only get and hour or two with (if that much) with each piece of equipment is this enough experience for you to get an opinion.

Stay thin it's more of a challenge

I'm not going to bother arguing with you as I remember the other thread quite well with your skinnier is better stance. If it works for you great. Some people screw in philips screws with a flat head driver too.....doesn't mean its the best tool for the job.

 

[davidhowland14]

We are talking east coast powder it's gone in a few hours and you are than skiing hard pack or ice.

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I disagree entirely.

I've been skiing Scott Aztec Pros this year. They're great. I have yet to find the point where I feel out of control on this ski. Hardpack at Waterville Valley two sundays ago was incredible. These things rail. Powder and bumps at MRG today: likewise. They float (not like a pow ski, but still really really well). They're maneuverable in the bumps, and they're downright bombproof.

However, when I bought them, it was a tossup between them and trouble makers.

 

[snoseek]

Not sure if you know this you are able too sharpen the steel edges of the skis. I did not say the B2 was great on ice I wrote "it held well on ice"

We are talking east coast powder it's gone in a few hours and you are than skiing hard pack or ice. I don't think Mondeo needs a powder specific ski just an all-around ski. As for Ice I understand this is not a slalom ski so the B2 will be fine, I have been on this ski for two years.
I didn't say you couldn't ski bumps on skis over 100mm I just do not see the need for this size ski on the east coast.
As for experience I have never gotten my tongue pierced but I could tell you it will hurt, so I don't need that much experience to tell you that 100mm is much too wide.
As for the reviews from ski magazines the testers only get and hour or two with (if that much) with each piece of equipment is this enough experience for you to get an opinion.

Stay thin it's more of a challenge

Dude six inches over ice and the 100mm will stay on top and the b2 will keep scratching the underneath. is this not common in the east? . How about those heavy wet snow days? I haven't even skied anything less that 90 in five years now. That includes a couple hundred days in the east.

Mondeo, you should borrow, demo ect.... don't assume anything until you have skied it.

 

[Greg]

Legend 8000s. Great all mountain ski. Not the best on hardpack, but they do pretty well everywhere else.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

I love my Hellcats and use them often. They are stiffer then the Helldivers, so they hold and edge better, but the Helldivers turn with less effort at slower speeds. You can’t go wrong with either. When I’m skiing my Hellcats I ski bumps just like I had any of my other skis on. IMO it's the driver not the car.

http://www.nordica.com/site/ski.php?site=2&lang=1&id=25

http://www.nordica.com/site/ski.php?site=2&lang=1&id=26

 

[snoseek]

The g.f. demoed a pair of icelantic shaman a few weeks ago on a powder day and was tearing up the bumps with them. They run very short but are suprisingly stable. I think they are like 130 under foot. I would not personally even look at skis under 90 if you really want a ski that is truly just for soft days.

 

[gmcunni]

I love my Hellcats and use them often. They are stiffer then the Helldivers, so they hold and edge better, but the Helldivers turn with less effort at slower speeds. You can’t go wrong with either. When I’m skiing my Hellcats I ski bumps just like I had any of my other skis on. IMO it's the driver not the car.

http://www.nordica.com/site/ski.php?site=2&lang=1&id=25

http://www.nordica.com/site/ski.php?site=2&lang=1&id=26

that hellcat sounds like a nice ski. I was looking to get something new next year and was thinking wider than the Volkl's i have now. the hellcat might be the one.

 

[Creakyknees]

I'm not going to bother arguing with you as I remember the other thread quite well with your skinnier is better stance. If it works for you great. Some people screw in philips screws with a flat head driver too.....doesn't mean its the best tool for the job.

This is not an argument it's a discussion. This is a thread for one ski for many jobs. Your analogy of the screw driver is great; we should apply this to this thread. If you only could have one tool to screw in both types of screws (philips and flat) what tool would it be. One tool for all uses just like the ski Mondeo needs.
Sorry if you think this is an argument I just want to express my opinion, this is the point of this thread, correct? This is why I love Alpinezone many opinions to learn from, and discuss the one thing we are on this site for "skiing". People could sit back just read the site and not express their opinion how much fun is that?
This is all in fun...................Sorry for the comment about the edges I thought that was funny. :razz:

Later,
Mr. My skis don't need a diet

 

[deadheadskier]

No worries, not offended by edge sharpening comment. I stand by my statement as a B2 skier, for the type of conditions he is describing and the performance he is looking for there are better alternatives on the market. They will only offer marginally better powder/crud performance than his bump skis. A B3 or even a B4 in the Rossi line from that era would be the better choice.

 

[snowmonster]

I ski a B4 (122/94/112). It's a good powder day ski and it is my go to ski in the trees. It's a quick turner and very maneuverable. It does decently in the bumps but then again, I don't go the zipperline like some folks. If you're looking to go off-piste and are looking for a tool to handle the ungroomed freshies in the glades and do quick turns in trees as well as the bumps that form in there, this is a good ski. It does a good job on groomers too and, if you keep the edges sharp, it'll do decently on ice. It's not the quickest edge-to-edge (but what do you expect from that width) but it can rip. On the downside, because it's designed for powder skiing, it's on the soft side of things so if you straightline it, the tips start flapping. All in all, I have been a happy customer on these.

 

[Glenn]

So, after the last couple powder days, I've been thinking I need a fatter ski for those 10% of days where bump skis just mean extra effort. Still want something decent in bumps in case a few pop up, so no powder skis even though that's what I'll be using them as. Twin tips might also be good in case I want to hit the park. Thinking something along the lines of Trouble Makers.

Anything I'm missing here?

Evogear.com....outlet: http://www.evogear.com/outlet-shop.aspx?text=trouble+maker

I have the Nothin' But Troubles which are more of a park twin. However, they're a ton of fun for all mountain...even with the bindings mounted a bit more forward than a traditional mount.

 

[mondeo]

I think DHS and Snoseek get what I'm looking for the best. The only thing I'm worried about with a 90+ ski is that it would sacrifice my stance and bring back bad habits, but I suppose I could survive a few runs like that now and then.

Need to check out what the demo center at K-ton has the after next dump.