Mogul technique: Extension

[bvibert]

Please stop saying hitting them straight on. We do not use our skis to hit anything intentionally; we use our skis to, carve, smear, skid, and slip, not hit.:smash:

In this case hit is probably the best description, he certainly wasn't doing any of those other things you mentioned.

 

[Geoff]

oh, and i'll never get worried about folding at the waist anymore. I was breaking down a few other people and came across this beauty. :lol:

I have a sequence of shots of me taken last April that look like that. I break form in the bumps when I get tired. Each turn, my nose gets closer & closer to the tips of my skis.

The time breaking at the waist is really bad is on true western steeps. When it's up over 40 degrees, I always mentally tell myself "chin up" before my first turn.

 

[2knees]

I have a sequence of shots of me taken last April that look like that. I break form in the bumps when I get tired. Each turn, my nose gets closer & closer to the tips of my skis.

The time breaking at the waist is really bad is on true western steeps. When it's up over 40 degrees, I always mentally tell myself "chin up" before my first turn.

its a tough thing to get rid of. I do it alot still myself. I just couldnt resist posting that when i pulled it off the video. I could find a bunch of sequences just as bad of myself, quite easily.

 

[tjf67]

Here are 3 pics. all three from basically the same spot on the run. I cant be sure the lines were the same for everyone but you can get an idea of what is going on for 180, 181, Greg and i threw myself in too. I hope that isnt too presumptious cause i dont put myself anywhere near their level. but you can see clearly the ass needs to move forward bro.


181, the winner

Greg

180

Me

oh, and i'll never get worried about folding at the waist anymore. I was breaking down a few other people and came across this beauty. :lol:

Ok all I see wrong is nerves. Because of it you are not looking far enough ahead.
It does look like everyone is having a blast so does it really matter?

 

[2knees]

Ok all I see wrong is nerves. Because of it you are not looking far enough ahead.
It does look like everyone is having a blast so does it really matter?

No, it doesnt really matter but i find it interesting to discuss these things. do we need another "which mountain is your favorite to ski on a wednesday during a solar eclipse" type thing?

 

[Beetlenut]

No, it doesnt really matter but i find it interesting to discuss these things.

For me there is a very fine line between driving the hips up and forward after cresting the bump, and falling into the backseat as your skis accelerate from under you into the next trough.

Ok, If we're going to discuss these things, lets talk about the move from fully absorbed at the top of the bump, to extended in the trough! The issue is how to get there without ending up in the backseat, or hunched over like Quasimotto! I like the idea of talking about what to feel in the boot area when making this move.

 

[tjf67]

No, it doesnt really matter but i find it interesting to discuss these things. do we need another "which mountain is your favorite to ski on a wednesday during a solar eclipse" type thing?

Sundown??

 

[Creakyknees]

Ok, If we're going to discuss these things, lets talk about the move from fully absorbed at the top of the bump, to extended in the trough! The issue is how to get there without ending up in the backseat, or hunched over like Quasimotto! I like the idea of talking about what to feel in the boot area when making this move.

Thanks, :smile:that was my question.........anyone....anyone.....Bueller,,,,,Bueller,,,,Bueller

Greg, answer this, what part of the ski boots interior do you feel contact or pressure when you are going from the top of the mogul down the backside?

 

[2knees]

sundown??

touche!

 

[Grassi21]

Sundown??

touche!

more like...

tj67 is douche ;-) :lol:

 

[tjf67]

more like...

tj67 is douche ;-) :lol:

Its ANUS Grassi. Jeez do you walk around with a helmet on your head??


BTW the guy in the green is going to give himself a hernia if he is not careful

 

[Greg]

Greg

That right there is fugly. :blink:

Greg, answer this, what part of the ski boots interior do you feel contact or pressure when you are going from the top of the mogul down the backside?

Like I said, there is no consistency. I strive for shin pressure, but often times I'm pretty evenly centered in the boot, and of course there are some times when you start to feel the back of the cuff. Like 2knees said, that's bad and time for a major readjustment.

I think it's time to work on the home posture. Back to basics.

 

[Grassi21]

Its ANUS Grassi. Jeez do you walk around with a helmet on your head??


BTW the guy in the green is going to give himself a hernia if he is not careful

sorry for the mix up. you are a proud ANUS. :lol:

 

[mondeo]

Ok all I see wrong is nerves.

BTW the guy in the green is going to give himself a hernia if he is not careful

See above for explanation. I was skiing like crap all day.

I know I was folding a bit earlier in the season, but it's one of the things I think I've improved on once I started absorbing more. Just fell back on old habits during the competition. Need video of me skiing decently to confirm, though.

 

[mondeo]

One thing I noticed is that Greg seems to be skidding to control speed some. I know at least for me, the tendancy is to skid on my tails, which throws me backseat. Even when skidding, you need to keep your weight forward and use the tips of your skis.

 

[Greg]

One thing I noticed is that Greg seems to be skidding to control speed some. I know at least for me, the tendancy is to skid on my tails, which throws me backseat. Even when skidding, you need to keep your weight forward and use the tips of your skis.

Yep, it's all part of the same overall goal and that is to ski the bumps on the balls of your feet. How does one get there is the question.

 

[midd]

To me, this thread reminds me too much of conversations I have about my golf game. the type of minutiae I use skiing as an escape from.

I've grown to treasure the lack of a scorecard and competition that skiing provides. constantly seeking to quantifiably improve and the frustrating plateau that always followed was enough to make me scale my number of rounds way back. I'd hate to have the same thing happen to my time on the slopes.

 

[jaytrem]

Like I said, there is no consistency.

Hey Greg, I'll try to chime in here with what I helped some other folks with. I don't know if this stuff works for everybody and it's not at all technique based. Also, the younger and less beat up the body, the better this stuff works. You have the skills, just need to work on the consistancy.

1. First thing to remember is you want to feel good skiing the bumps, don't worry about how you look. Once you feel good you'll start losing the miscues and then you'll just happen to look good too.

2. Difficulty is relative. 2 years ago what looked hard to you is now quite easy. So force yourself to ski thing that are beyond your current skill set. That will make the things you're currently skiing appear to be easier.

3. If you can't find a harder trail to ski you can make an easier bump trail harder.

a. Ski it faster while staying in the bump lines.

b. Take what I call the "Next Step" and get out of the bump lines. This is what I'm often helping friends with. A lot of them are great at zipping down lines, but not so good when you mix things up a bit. To practice this, you want to go from point A to point B as straight as possible. I suggest having a friend stand at point B and just aim for him. Try to picture a 3-5 foot corridor and stay in it. Some trails are better for this than others, seeded bumps are usually not so good. At first you'll probably look like your on a bucking bronco. But after a while your brain will figure out that it's possible to turn in lots of different places and you'll get more used to using the bumps to help control your speed. Just shoot down that corridor and turn turn turn turn all while moving from A to B as quickly as possible. Of course some absorbtion along the way will also help. Unfortunatly it will probably be somewhat of a pounding of the bumps at the beginning, but once you get it all together, non-line bump skiing can be very smooth. I've put in at least a thousand "bump days" and so far have ZERO knee problems. Anyway, after doing that for a while, the next time you're skiing a line it should appear to be a lot easier and more consistant.

That's about it, I've never been much on actual "technique". When friends ask how I do something I tend to have to do it while forcing myself to think about it. So I'm kinda a lousy instructer when it comes to that. I don't know if this helped at all, I hope so. Just remember the #1 thing is to have fun out there. That's the area where all skiers can be equal no matter what skill level.

 

[Greg]

All good advice and lots to think about. Thanks everybody. I will say this though - analyzing technique and trying to find ways to improve is part of the fun for me.

 

[Beetlenut]

To me, this thread reminds me too much of conversations I have about my golf game. the type of minutiae I use skiing as an escape from.

I've grown to treasure the lack of a scorecard and competition that skiing provides. constantly seeking to quantifiably improve and the frustrating plateau that always followed was enough to make me scale my number of rounds way back. I'd hate to have the same thing happen to my time on the slopes.

For some people, me included, the fun is figuring out how to do something at a high level. No competition, just the process of discovering the technique or "thing" it takes to finally do something well without thinking about it, and discovering something in yourself along the way.