Need some all-mtn ski help, please

[eastcoastpowderhound]

Thanks again all for your detailed input. I used to be a much better skier than I am now. 11, 12 years ago, I logged back to back ~80 day seasons @ the Loaf. (ahh, college). .

where did you go to school in ME?

 

[The Sneak]

UMF 96-98, then transferred out as I changed majors...

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

UMF 96-98, then transferred out as I changed majors...

UMF 91-95...Ski Industries and Bus/Econ...with a minor in the Loaf.

 

[Greg]

Based on everything I've seen here and elsewhere, the Dynastar Legend 8000s look like a solid choice. I'm off to look for them in 172cm.

Look no further:

http://www.levelninesports.com/dynastar-2007-legend-8000-all-mountain-skis-172cm-p-2983.html

Really a great ski, and that's an insane price. This is the 2007 model.

 

[riverc0il]

Look no further:

http://www.levelninesports.com/dynastar-2007-legend-8000-all-mountain-skis-172cm-p-2983.html

Really a great ski, and that's an insane price. This is the 2007 model.

That's a good price but not an insane price. Most of my pairs I got brand new for around $350. I think the most I paid was $400.

These skis are available on eBay buy it now for under $300. That is an insane price. No warranty though... and for the record, I have snapped two pairs of 8000s.... one bought on eBay without warranty. For $289 though, who gives a crap.

Sneak... if you are looking for a cheap new older model based on your criteria, you ain't gonna find any better for the price.

 

[The Sneak]

Ok guys
What changed from 07 to 08 with these? I can get freshly tuned, lightly used 2008 (the newer graphics with the gothic looking Dynastar lettering) demos with look px12 lifter/fluid for $350 or $334 with marker titanium 12.0s.

I can also get flat 2007 (orange) legend 8000s - new - for $289.99. Has anyone skied or heard about the differences between the 07 and 08? It appears the tips are 4mm wider.

What is the best or best value binding setup, assuming I buy the leftover flat 07s?

 

[Glenn]

Did you find those 07's on Evogear? I picked up a pair of 07 Nothing But Troubles from them. Great service...and free shipping!

 

[riverc0il]

Not sure on the specific differences. I think they bumps up the waist/tip/tail like 1-2mm's or so? Makes sense from a marketing perspective to bump the waist up even just 1mm so it would be in the 80s. Not sure about weight or performance differences. I can't imagine they would futz with it too much. $350 used with bindings is a decent price. Demo bindings suck though, IMO. I'd splurge for the new undrilled and slap your own bindings on them. Evogear had a great clearance this summer with $100 Axials... not sure if there are any left or not. I'd go with the Looks over the Markers if you go with the used.

Oh, there is the warranty issue too. You get an extra year warranty if you mount with Looks as I recall. But you gotta buy new from an authorized dealer for that to matter.

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

Not sure on the specific differences. I think they bumps up the waist/tip/tail like 1-2mm's or so? Makes sense from a marketing perspective to bump the waist up even just 1mm so it would be in the 80s. Not sure about weight or performance differences. I can't imagine they would futz with it too much. $350 used with bindings is a decent price. Demo bindings suck though, IMO. I'd splurge for the new undrilled and slap your own bindings on them. Evogear had a great clearance this summer with $100 Axials... not sure if there are any left or not. I'd go with the Looks over the Markers if you go with the used.

Oh, there is the warranty issue too. You get an extra year warranty if you mount with Looks as I recall. But you gotta buy new from an authorized dealer for that to matter.

and typically there is no warranty on demo product...some companies will be sticklers, others will let it slide if the ski is being returned by a consumer.

 

[Starter Jackets Rule!]

http://www.levelninesports.com/head-2008-mojo-twin-tip-skis-172cm-p-2994.html
http://www.levelninesports.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=319046
one of the best groomer rippers http://www.levelninesports.com/head-supershape-skis-175cm-p-3720.html
http://www.levelninesports.com/head-monster-railflex-skis-170cm-p-3786.html
another groomer ski that worls great for the lighter skier.
http://www.levelninesports.com/dynastar-2007-legend-8000-all-mountain-skis-172cm-p-2983.html
toped off with a great ski at a great price.
(note this ski skis long, but not that long)
http://www.levelninesports.com/head-2008-monster-skis-171cm-p-3370.html

 

[mattchuck2]

I had this experience with the Volkl Mantra. I was all set to pull the trigger (almost did but a place had sold out at a discounted price) and ultimately decided to demo. Hated the ski. Best decision I made that year was doing a demo. Saved me a lot of money and a lot of wasted time.

Hey River, what didn't you like about the Mantras? I was thinking of picking up a pair for this season . . .

EDIT: Scratch that . . . Did a search and Found your review . . .

Thanks,

Matt

 

[ERJ-145CA]

I bought Fischer Watea 78's last year. I think they are great all mountain skis, easy to ski from hardpack to crud and they're fast too. I think last year was the first year they were made but maybe there may be some of last years version around for cheaper. They changed the graphics for this year. I ordered them last summer from ski-depot.com and had no problems, I received them promptly. This link is for last years model:

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SDO&Product_Code=722987FWATEA7808

 

[The Sneak]

I found some demo watea 78s in 167 for stupid cheap. Are these too shrot? Would I be okay on 167 or better off with 174s?

How do they compare with Legend 8000s?

 

[ERJ-145CA]

I'm 5'11" and I got the 167's and they work great for me, you'll mostly get a little more speed from the 174's i guess, but the 167's are very fast. If you are taller than me then you'll want the 174's. I don't know the Legend 8000's.

 

[The Sneak]

Naw man, I'm barely 5' 8" when I first get up in the morning. My RX8s are 165cm.

I think I'm gonna snag em. They're a bit beat looking but a fresh tune will straighten em out and for $150 you can't lose, right?

 

[ERJ-145CA]

That sounds like a great deal to me, I paid a lot more than that new last year but they were worth every penny, best skis I've skiied so far.

 

[Greg]

I'm 5'11" and I got the 167's and they work great for me, you'll mostly get a little more speed from the 174's i guess, but the 167's are very fast. If you are taller than me then you'll want the 174's. I don't know the Legend 8000's.

Naw man, I'm barely 5' 8" when I first get up in the morning. My RX8s are 165cm.

Weight has far more to do with the appropriate ski length than height...

 

[The Sneak]

155 lbs if I put down a 6 pack of IPA first.

 

[Greg]

155 lbs if I put down a 6 pack of IPA first.

Go with the 167 cm which will be easier in the bumps and trees. Longer would be better for powder/crud, bit a 78 mm waisted ski is not really considered a powder ski these days.

 

[Glenn]

bit a 78 mm waisted ski is not really considered a powder ski these days.

That always makes me LOL a bit. I see people on other message boards worrying about taking their 78mm skis out West: "Are they to thin for powder?" I skied a pair of Rossi 7S's out West in the early 90's...I managed. Back then, a 78mm ski would have been a power ski...or even a water ski. :razz: