New England Ticket Prices

[jaybird]

Yes, take Stowe. 5 brand new chairs during that time (3 being HSQ), a refurbished gondola, massive snowmaking improvements, new base lodge.

They may charge the most, but have certainly put a ton of money back into the place.

You put a ton of money into the place ... idiot.
If you are an American taxpayer, you paid for much of Stowe's improvements.

 

[deadheadskier]

Right.......everything has been all financed through AIG bailouts.......

Is that where you are going with this?

 

[jaybird]

Cornelius Vander Starr - duh.
Stowe continues to leverage the relationship ...
Easy to build beautiful hotels and replace pipe under a bailout.


The 'Evolution Card' is appropriately named.

Good Bye.

 

[deadheadskier]

Thanks captain obvious

 

[steamboat1]

AIG not only repaid the $182 billion bailout money to the gov't but the govt. made over a $22 billion dollar profit.

The trillion dollar stimulus on the other hand not a cent.

That's were debt growth was.

 

[cdskier]

Not that I'd pay any of these prices, but Stowe @ $115 is far more "reasonable" than Killington, Mount Snow, and Sugarbush @~$95.

If Stowe, K, and Sugarbush were all the same price, I'd still rather ski either SB or even K before I went to Stowe. I do agree that I also wouldn't pay any of these prices though.

Eventually, the current price point model may play itself out and the Vails and Stowes of the skiing world may need to reduce price to stay viable? Who knows? I personally, would like to see skiing become less expensive, so that new customers can be grown, esp as the older skiers age out.

My only hope by the time this happens is that it isn't too late. Once you lose skiers, it is sometimes hard to get them back into the sport. Sugarbush cited that as a huge reason behind why they started offering the cheap pass for people in their 20s 4 years ago.

 

[Scruffy]

My only hope by the time this happens is that it isn't too late. Once you lose skiers, it is sometimes hard to get them back into the sport. Sugarbush cited that as a huge reason behind why they started offering the cheap pass for people in their 20s 4 years ago.

Agree. As as reference note though, I spent the weekend at Killington and there were no shortage of 20 somethings with enough excess cash to afford a very high priced auto, and ski, and attend pricey restaurants. The market will most likely bifurcate into those that can afford certain resorts and those resorts that cater to them, and resorts that cater to value skiers.

 

[steamboat1]

I wouldn't be surprised if Stowe goes private in the not to distant future. They've already greatly reduced public parking.

 

[deadheadskier]

They eliminated public parking at Spruce because they needed the land for additional resort services and private club facilities. Nothing has changed on the Mansfield side where 90% of the parking has always been.

I won't say there's zero chance, but probably .001% chance Stowe goes private. That would be disastrous to numerous lodging properties in town. The Stowe Area Association is one of the most powerful small town chamber of commerces I've ever seen. No way they don't put up massive litigation to stop that.

 

[steamboat1]

 

[BenedictGomez]

You put a ton of money into the place ... idiot.
If you are an American taxpayer, you paid for much of Stowe's improvements.

Given you clearly have no idea what you're talking about, you probably shouldn't be calling DHS an idiot.

AIG not only repaid the $182 billion bailout money to the gov't but the govt. made over a $22 billion dollar profit.

The trillion dollar stimulus on the other hand not a cent. That's were debt growth was.

Because this is 100% correct.

If Stowe, K, and Sugarbush were all the same price, I'd still rather ski either SB or even K before I went to Stowe.

Okay. You'd definitely be in the minority of skiers with that opinion, but okay.

 

[jaybird]

Chartis and the AIG investment is a shell game that everybody funded.
The AIG paybacks on the bailout were funded from a range of investments.
Mt Mansfield Corporation maintains strong relations with that 'institution'.
On their own, they could never have pulled off the continued expansions.

Pay to play. When they have full operation, nothing in East compares to Mt Mansfield.

You and DHead must chair the idiot club.

 

[deadheadskier]

Chartis and the AIG investment is a shell game that everybody funded.
The AIG paybacks on the bailout were funded from a range of investments.
Mt Mansfield Corporation maintains strong relations with that 'institution'.
On their own, they could never have pulled off the continued expansions.

Pay to play. When they have full operation, nothing in East compares to Mt Mansfield.

You and DHead must chair the idiot club.

Even if you were 25% correct, which you're not, I honestly wouldn't care. Just like I don't care about Jay, Burke etc. expanding with EB-5 money. I'm a consumer of the product and if it's good, I'll spend money there.

Reading comprehension my friend; you have none.

The contention was that there has not been on hill capital improvements. That is false. How they were funded wasn't even part of the conversation. I simply commented that yes there has been on hill improvements and gave an example. Plenty of other places have put in new lifts, snowmaking etc,. during that time as well.

The idiot is you

 

[jaybird]

Bull.
If you so don't care, why retort with lame feeble nonsense. Idiot.

Your contention was they 'they have put a lot of money into the place'
I corrected you and your little boy pants got all wedgied.

The AIG investment payback to the US Gov was not derived from Stowe operations.
Do you even have any idea how massive AIG is?
Or how many accountants and financial manipulators they employ?
The government has no interest in unraveling the dotted lines of subsidiaries.
They were just happy to get their bailout money back.

Keep your spliffy hairball self out of my Gondola and off the front 4.
Have fun in your little world ... what's a Ward Hill ticket run now?

Run Forest Run...

 

[mbedle]

Stowe would never go private, its partially on leased state land. I would guess that their lease also requires that the resort remain for public use.

 

[deadheadskier]

Bull.
If you so don't care, why retort with lame feeble nonsense. Idiot.

Your contention was they 'they have put a lot of money into the place'
I corrected you and your little boy pants got all wedgied.

The AIG investment payback to the US Gov was not derived from Stowe operations.
Do you even have any idea how massive AIG is?
Or how many accountants and financial manipulators they employ?
The government has no interest in unraveling the dotted lines of subsidiaries.
They were just happy to get their bailout money back.

Keep your spliffy hairball self out of my Gondola and off the front 4.
Have fun in your little world ... what's a Ward Hill ticket run now?

Run Forest Run...

Get a grip dude

I lived in Stowe for a long time, worked for the mountain and still know many people who do. I'm well aware of the scope of AIG.

Way to be a spazz though. C+ trolling at best

 

[mbedle]

I don't believe it, but if someone wants to think that taxpayers paid for the development and improvements at Stowe, I give a big old THANK YOU. Its made my playground pretty darn nice.

 

[VTKilarney]

I don't believe it, but if someone wants to think that taxpayers paid for the development and improvements at Stowe, I give a big old THANK YOU. Its made my playground pretty darn nice.

Agreed. It's about time I got an entitlement from the government.


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[machski]

I don't believe it, but if someone wants to think that taxpayers paid for the development and improvements at Stowe, I give a big old THANK YOU. Its made my playground pretty darn nice.

They did long ago, it was called the CCC in Roosevelt's days

 

[jaybird]

Sad to learn DHeadSlider got booted from Stowe and ended up at Ward Hill.
From her 'multiple alleged' stints in the ski industry ... now a message board pimp ... severe fall from grace.
Might of got that dishwasher job at the Matterhorn if she wasn't such a pothead.

A legend in her own mind.