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Northeast Christmas Present???

Greg

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Works for me. Almost started this thread. Bring it.
 

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Sweet, I'll be skiing the steeps of WNY!

Actually, I might try to hit up a NELSAP area or poach trails at Holiday Valley where the lifts aren't running yet. There just better be a big New Year's storm as well.
 

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You're on to something, two of the three local new stations down here are saying snow/mix Christmas Eve night into Christmas day on their seven day out look.
 
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My brother is now reporting 6" in Haddonfield, NJ! :snow:
this is about 7 hours old:
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Weather folks are mostly saying it is too early to call this event but seems like the pre-call consensus is not snow. Josh Fox on the Single Chair Blog sounded pretty pessimistic to say the least... though not willing to make a final call quite yet. I would hate to end 2009 with only two powder days for the season so far, well below my average at this point.
 

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Weathermen in CT calling for mix then change over to all rain here in CT. :-(

I so hope they are wrong.
 

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Weathermen in CT calling for mix then change over to all rain here in CT. :-(

I so hope they are wrong.

Gonna have to watch the epic battle of the warm vs. cold air for this one coming up too. Kind of similar type storm tracks, with a HUGE "blocking" high up towards Greenland that will at some point of latitude work to kick this storm close to due East rather than let it parallel the coast up into the Canadain maritimes, also have to really watch where the storm 1st starts to turn North once it gets to the Gulf of Mexico. Right now there's a mix in the models about both situations. The further West the storm starts to turn North, the more warm airs gets into the Northeast and the more non frozen stuff we'll see.

My gut looking at things right now, and this is something that seems to happen quite alot with the computer models and East coast storms, is that the cold air mass, CURRENTLY IN PLACE (and getting some reinforcement along about the 23rd/24th) will dominate more of this storm (especially for interior New England) more than the warm air trying to get in on the South and East side of the storm track and keep a good chunk of New England in the snow.

For some reason it just seems that the computer models with respect to East Coast storms like to over exaggerate the quickness that the presiding air mass associated with a storm (weather it be cold air displacing warm air or vice versa) will take over, and in the case of the air mass we have in place right now, it's a BIG, STRONG pool of cold air that is going to be tough to move out (especially with a storm that will likely be wanting to move more to the East than to the North as it approaches New England.

Right now, I'd say the places most likely to see non-snow precip for some duration of the storm will be the places that saw snow today. Also, it's looking much more likely that the precipitation shield with this storm will reach further inland than todays storm, but likely not far enough inland that Northern New England will large amounts of precip from this one either.

What to watch as we get towards Wednesday to see how this plays out will be a) how much of a reinforcing shot of cold air we get Tuesday/Wednesday b) How far West the storm will likely start to turn North from the Gulf states (the further east the better for snow in New England) and c) where the models are thinking the storm will basically stop heading North and start to head hard to the East.
 

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Yeah, this could be interesting. But even up in VT, it looks like it may get above freezing. BLAH!
 

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My gut looking at things right now, and this is something that seems to happen quite alot with the computer models and East coast storms, is that the cold air mass, CURRENTLY IN PLACE (and getting some reinforcement along about the 23rd/24th) will dominate more of this storm (especially for interior New England) more than the warm air trying to get in on the South and East side of the storm track and keep a good chunk of New England in the snow.
Hope you're right ... My gut is on every storm so far this year (and most last winter too?) the models move the track more to the west over time, which obviously would not be good here. But I admit I haven't had a chance to pay real attention to this system yet.
 
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