Pico Will Not Operate 7 Days A Week

[ALLSKIING]

Next question, you going to Utah with us? :lol:

:smash:

 

[Highway Star]

Just a reminder that in here, we don't talk to folks like that in here....

Thanks.

TB

Sorry, not a probelm.

 

[Highway Star]

I don't have a comeback because I said I'm not going to bother debating you on this anymore. Say what you want about it, I don't really care. There's an old saying in the industry, "I've probably forgotten more about the ski industry than you know." Cheers.

Sounds quite clearly like you've lost the debate.

Better luck next time.

 

[Vortex]

Sounds quite clearly like you've lost the debate.

Better luck next time.

Ya just how I read it. :dunce::wink:



You add some interaction. Just keep it constructive.

Maybe after a few weeks you will see the vibe that this places brings. Your 1st week or so you have missed the point.

 

[JimG.]

I went on vacation at a good time, didn't I?

 

[PowderDeprived]

What if your day off from work is one of the days they are closed, are you going to buy a Pico Pass now?

I think it is a lousy decision.

I think the biggest thing is that it would affect pass sales.

That and with the shortened seasons at both areas, the snowmaking quality will be bull. I will bet the thin cover signs will start going up 3 days into the first thaw in march, and at Killington, they will be down to the bare bones trails by the begining of April.

Sounds like they will just run and gun to get things opened up by Christmas and blow a few feet onto Superstar.

 

[bobbutts]

Sounds quite clearly like you've lost the debate.

Better luck next time.

"I've probably forgotten more about the ski industry than you know." Cheers.

It does make you look bad to enter the debate and then bow out with that bs quote no matter who your opponent is and what they said

It was a healthy debate until you started losing and then you quit, hiding behind someone else's smug annoying quote.

 

[threecy]

It does make you look bad to enter the debate and then bow out with that bs quote no matter who your opponent is and what they said

It was a healthy debate until you started losing and then you quit, hiding behind someone else's smug annoying quote.

The debate was over for me when the tone was changed from a civil debate to mudslinging in the last few pages. I wouldn't attribute that quote to any one person - it's actually used quite a lot, and relevant to the transformation of the debate to a gutter conversation.

 

[bobbutts]

The debate was over for me when the tone was changed from a civil debate to mudslinging in the last few pages. I wouldn't attribute that quote to any one person - it's actually used quite a lot, and relevant to the transformation of the debate to a gutter conversation.

I read it again, and HS always starts each rebuttal with a :flame:

since I'm not the one it's burning I just skim over those. Can see how it could seem worthless to continue engaging in that situation. However some of it is valid and you should have been prepared to finish when you started. Did you not know who HS was prior to this debate?

 

[snowman]

The debate was over for me when the tone was changed from a civil debate to mudslinging in the last few pages. I wouldn't attribute that quote to any one person - it's actually used quite a lot, and relevant to the transformation of the debate to a gutter conversation.

I'm with Threecy. I just read the last few pages of this, but Highway Star is treating this like it's some sort of competition for who can create the longest post by re-hashing facts everyone already knows. I also disagree with his statement that you will see lift capacity decrease at K. You will see less lifts, but not less capacity. The future of K will be HS 6 packs and quads in high traffic areas replacing 2 other antiquated lifts. Less lifts, the same or more capacity. It's been 20 years since I last skied K and I think the only new lifts they've built since then are the K1 and K2. Sad! A major resort like K needs to be treated like an amusement park. You need to come with a new lift EVERY winter to keep up interest and to keep your lift infrastructure from crumbling all at once. Whistler rarely goes a year without coming with a new lift. Considering K is almost at the point where the whole lift infrastructure is ready to crumble it will be easy to implement the same kind of program and not run out of lifts to replace for the next 15 years.

 

[threecy]

I read it again, and HS always starts each rebuttal with a :flame:

since I'm not the one it's burning I just skim over those. Can see how it could seem worthless to continue engaging in that situation. However some of it is valid and you should have been prepared to finish when you started. Did you not know who HS was prior to this debate?

I did not know who he was before he joined in (after the debate was basically done) - all I knew was he had a signup date from a few years ago and basically zero posts to go along with it until he started posting like crazy over the period of a few days. I was and am prepared to finish it to an extent - most of what can be said in a public forum is out there in the 30 something pages of the thread. It does, however, get to the point where a lot of what I need to add can't be put out in a public forum with my username tagged to it. That, coupled with the type of poster he appears to be, led me to grin and bow out. My stance is fairly simple - I do not like to ski Killington, I do not necessarily endorse SP/Powdr's decisions, but I think they can be defended and also that people are big-air-jumping to conclusions before there's even a season of new ownership in place.

A further debate on this topic, without the flaming and emotionally typed posts, would certainly be interesting, but that's probably more along the lines of an industry-only forum of some type.

 

[bobbutts]

nice reply. debate is closed for me too now
now you know.. lol

 

[snowman]

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A further debate on this topic, without the flaming and emotionally typed posts, would certainly be interesting, but that's probably more along the lines of an industry-only forum of some type.

Hmmmm, Did you go to the Skip King school of Skip King or something? That is SO Skip King I'm not sure now that you're not really Skip King in disguise! :wink:

 

[millerm277]

@Snowman, the lift situation is not terrible at K, it is actually fairly well-designed, and can allow you to get from one side to the other with only one or two lifts, and while needing matinence very badly, the lifts themselves (for the most part) are appropriate for the area they are serving.

They've got two modern gondi's, and a good number of HS lifts. (Snowshed, Superstar, Needle's Eye, Rams Head).

There are couple problems with the current set-up.

First, Snowdon needs a high-speed lift, a HSQ would fine in my opinion, the quad is a 10 minute ride without stopping, and they can't run it faster. (I would like to see the Triple and Poma stay in place.)

Secondly, the Skye Peak Quad needs to be replaced desperatly. A HSQ would be fine here as well, while a 6-pack would mean there will never be any lines, it will be insane on Skye Peak with the Gondi, and three HSQ's that all feed at least a portion of their traffic onto it.

Third: There are multiple unnecessary lifts on the mountain right now, the DF Quad is run one or two times a year, and it's purpose is long gone. (Originally, it had a lot of traffic coming off sunrise). The Snowshed Doubles aren't run very often, and beginners aren't good at loading fixed-grip double chairs.

Fourth, the South Ridge Triple should be extended somehow up to the peak, which would make it more sense to run more often, and would allow badly needed traffic to the peak lodge.


Solution:

Rip out the Snowshed HSQ and replace it with a 6-pack, to make the doubles unnecessary to have. Remove the doubles. Put the Snowshed HSQ on Snowdon.

Remove the DF Quad at the same time as you buy a new HSQ for Skye Peak.

Pat yourself on the back, you solved most of the lift problems at K, and reduced the number of lifts at K by three, and they are now free for whatever purpose you may have for them.

 

[threecy]

Hmmmm, Did you go to the Skip King school of Skip King or something? That is SO Skip King I'm not sure now that you're not really Skip King in disguise! :wink:

Who's Skip King?

 

[snowman]

@Snowman, the lift situation is not terrible at K, it is actually fairly well-designed, and can allow you to get from one side to the other with only one or two lifts, and while needing matinence very badly, the lifts themselves (for the most part) are appropriate for the area they are serving.

They've got two modern gondi's, and a good number of HS lifts. (Snowshed, Superstar, Needle's Eye, Rams Head).

There are couple problems with the current set-up.

First, Snowdon needs a high-speed lift, a HSQ would fine in my opinion, the quad is a 10 minute ride without stopping, and they can't run it faster. (I would like to see the Triple and Poma stay in place.)

Secondly, the Skye Peak Quad needs to be replaced desperatly. A HSQ would be fine here as well, while a 6-pack would mean there will never be any lines, it will be insane on Skye Peak with the Gondi, and three HSQ's that all feed at least a portion of their traffic onto it.

Third: There are multiple unnecessary lifts on the mountain right now, the DF Quad is run one or two times a year, and it's purpose is long gone. (Originally, it had a lot of traffic coming off sunrise). The Snowshed Doubles aren't run very often, and beginners aren't good at loading fixed-grip double chairs.

Fourth, the South Ridge Triple should be extended somehow up to the peak, which would make it more sense to run more often, and would allow badly needed traffic to the peak lodge.


Solution:

Rip out the Snowshed HSQ and replace it with a 6-pack, to make the doubles unnecessary to have. Remove the doubles. Put the Snowshed HSQ on Snowdon.

Remove the DF Quad at the same time as you buy a new HSQ for Skye Peak.

Pat yourself on the back, you solved most of the lift problems at K, and reduced the number of lifts at K by three, and they are now free for whatever purpose you may have for them.

You essentially just said what I said, you just used more words. I was basically saying some lifts can likely go, period, because they existed in a pre-high speed world to increase capacity and ease lines. Some other lifts can likely be improved by changing their lines a little on replacement. I also said this isn't a 1 year 15 lift project, this is a 15 year, 15 lift project, replacing the worst lifts first. By the time 10 years are up all of the Yan semi-rehabed HS quads are going to be spitting bolts (requiring replacement) so they will have to go too. Hopefully skier visits will be back up by then requiring the 6 packs if the terrain will withstand the skiers. It doesn't hurt to have a little excess capacity at a resort like K. In the new lift schematic with less lifts you will need it if a major lift goes down on a major weekend. If you have them all up and running you can just set a operater limit on rope speed to limit the capacity to the summit and save some power.

 

[snowman]

Who's Skip King?

You're kidding, right? :-o

 

[thetrailboss]

I read it again, and HS always starts each rebuttal with a :flame:

That's right. This is why we are going to talk about something else...

 

[snowman]

Cough. There! Now this thread has more posts than days of the year!

 

[Zand]

I think this is the first time in my entire life that I've started a successful thread on any board. Cool. And now we have more posts than days in a leap year.