Rumble or Goat

[prisnah]

Found a shot of Goat. Below is the web address in case the attachment doesn't work.

I actually like Starr a little bit more, although really only the first 20-30 yds (if that) of it are steep IMO.

http://www.explorenewengland.com/travel/explorene/specials/ski/blog/IMG_4021.JPG

 

[Greg]

Found a shot of Goat. Below is the web address in case the attachment doesn't work.

I actually like Starr a little bit more, although really only the first 20-30 yds (if that) of it are steep IMO.

http://www.explorenewengland.com/travel/explorene/specials/ski/blog/IMG_4021.JPG

It looks more like the width of Middle Earth than it does Rumble.

 

[2knees]

Found a shot of Goat. Below is the web address in case the attachment doesn't work.

I actually like Starr a little bit more, although really only the first 20-30 yds (if that) of it are steep IMO.

http://www.explorenewengland.com/travel/explorene/specials/ski/blog/IMG_4021.JPG

thanks. looks like there is quite a double fall line higher up in that pic.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

It's nice for a bump run to get groomed before it dumps...then you aren't feeling rock hard bumps under the powder..

Well, it depends on the conditions before the dump, and how big the dump is. If the snow is just standard hardpack or pp, then it's fine. But if the current cover is rock-solid and it's not going to snow more than 2 feet, then one of two things will happen: either bumps will not form properly again because of the slick power-tilled surface beneath, or bumps will form with icy slippery troughs. Both situations are just as bad as having harder bumps underneath. It's one of those case-to-case situations. FIS at Sugarbush was a good example last year. They tilled it out when it was pretty rock hard, and the only bumps left on the trail the rest of the season were skiers' left where they couldn't groom. Those bumps ended up soft and nice after 2 decent snowfalls. But the rest of the trail was pretty much flat solid hardpack. No fun, IMO, and rather dangerous unless you have freshly sharpened edges.

 

[BushMogulMaster]

It looks more like the width of Middle Earth than it does Rumble.

Looks very similar to the width of Middle Earth.

 

[Greg]

Well, it depends on the conditions before the dump, and how big the dump is. If the snow is just standard hardpack or pp, then it's fine. But if the current cover is rock-solid and it's not going to snow more than 2 feet, then one of two things will happen: either bumps will not form properly again because of the slick power-tilled surface beneath, or bumps will form with icy slippery troughs. Both situations are just as bad as having harder bumps underneath. It's one of those case-to-case situations. FIS at Sugarbush was a good example last year. They tilled it out when it was pretty rock hard, and the only bumps left on the trail the rest of the season were skiers' left where they couldn't groom. Those bumps ended up soft and nice after 2 decent snowfalls. But the rest of the trail was pretty much flat solid hardpack. No fun, IMO, and rather dangerous unless you have freshly sharpened edges.

Quit your bitchin'! You know the masses prefer perfectly flat groomed trails, no matter how slick. Bumps are for daredeveils...

 

[BushMogulMaster]

Quit your bitchin'! You know the masses prefer perfectly flat groomed trails, no matter how slick. Bumps are for daredeveils...

Oh yeah, please excuse me. Must have been a brain fart. Completely forgot that the entire established ski community hates moguls and considers mogul skiers rejects who don't really know how to ski. :wink:

That's why I'm on a mission with mogulskiing.net. Things will change, just give it some time.

 

[Greg]

Oh yeah, please excuse me. Must have been a brain fart. Completely forgot that the entire established ski community hates moguls and considers mogul skiers rejects who don't really know how to ski. :wink:

That's why I'm on a mission with mogulskiing.net. Things will change, just give it some time.

I got your back. You know that.
:beer:

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I like moguls..but eventually after several weeks..moguls should be knocked down and let re-form..otherwise they get too widely spaced or scrapped down to rocks/bare earth..

 

[BushMogulMaster]

I like moguls..but eventually after several weeks..moguls should be knocked down and let re-form..otherwise they get too widely spaced or scrapped down to rocks/bare earth..

Not arguing that point. Just saying that the snow surfaces department needs to consider all of the possible effects of running a power tiller over a bump field.

Also, some bump lines set up well and stay decent. They should leave those alone. When I'm mountain manager somewhere, I'm hiring a mogul skier as my grooming manager. Not so that he leaves the whole mountain bumps, but so he know what to groom, when to groom it, and how to groom it. Of course, I may not be able to find a mogul skiing grooming manager, but hey... a guy can dream, can't he?

 

[JimG.]

I'm not sure Rumble has a valid comparison trail in NE. I'm not counting off the map stuff.

It's pretty unique.

As such, I declare this poll unfair. Either that or the author doesn't like Goat and wants to make it look bad. Because you really can't compare it to Rumble.

 

[tjf67]

thats a new take on it. It does flatten out quite a bit after the top 1/3rd or so but i've never really looked at it as a bump run per se.

That is where I first started skiing bumps. 204 k-2. I remember thinking to myself this is the perfect place to learn because it is not to steep but steep enough to keep you going.
Dont get me wrong they are both excellent trails. I just prefer goat more. I tend to gravitate toward a trail that can throw me out of control at times. Double fall lines still give me fits.

 

[kcyanks1]

That is where I first started skiing bumps. 204 k-2. I remember thinking to myself this is the perfect place to learn because it is not to steep but steep enough to keep you going.
Dont get me wrong they are both excellent trails. I just prefer goat more. I tend to gravitate toward a trail that can throw me out of control at times. Double fall lines still give me fits.

It's very narrow and the bumps are quite irregular. IMO, it's the worst trail off of Castlerock for learning bumps. I agree that it's not overly steep though.

 

[wa-loaf]

I've only skied Goat once or twice and never been down Rumble. So Bubble Cuffer is my answer.

 

[crank]

Rumble is my favorite trail.

 

[riverc0il]

TJF is a very skilled skier.

While I disagree with him that Rumble an "intermediate learners bump run..." I do agree with the point he's making. I also think Goat is a more challenging run then Rumble. It's longer and alot steeper. Rumble is a great trail, maybe more fun then Goat, but Goat, IMO, is a far harder trail to ski well.

I am not sure I agree that Goat is a harder trail to ski well. Both trails present technical hurdles for skiers. Goat presents pitch and duration but no turns while Rumble has narrow turns and occasional obstacles. Different skiers may have different proficiencies and may find either trail harder to ski well. If you can straight line steep bumps then Goat is not a problem but a lot of skiers freeze up going around tight and narrow corners like Rumble. Rumble obviously doesn't have the pitch of Goat nor the unrelenting length/pitch combo. I also think conditions are a factor as well. All things being equal, I think most skiers would have a harder time with Rumble as I think Goat would be easier to just 'hack down' in poor form. In either case, straight trails bore me and part of being bored is a lack of challenge. I do think Goat does make you work harder though... challenge and effort are not always equal parts though.

 

[riverc0il]

I'm not sure Rumble has a valid comparison trail in NE. I'm not counting off the map stuff.

It's pretty unique.

As such, I declare this poll unfair. Either that or the author doesn't like Goat and wants to make it look bad. Because you really can't compare it to Rumble.

Good answer, JimG.

 

[riverc0il]

It looks more like the width of Middle Earth than it does Rumble.

The top section of Goat is fairly similar in width to most of Rumble, a touch wider... though the excessive double fall line and rocks make only skier's left side of the trail functional in many condition scenarios. Certainly nothing like MIddle Earth width but most of Goat is wider than Rumble. Killer double fall though, which I grew tired off rather quickly.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

I think the top of Starr is steeper than the top of Goat..

 

[kcyanks1]

I think the top of Starr is steeper than the top of Goat..

I'm pretty sure that's what Stowe claims.