Ski Resort Response to COVID-19

[BenedictGomez]

COVID-19 related deaths are UNDER REPORTED.

On a global level? Yes, that is virtually 100% certain to be correct.

In America? I very much doubt it. In fact, I believe the statistical bias in America is that we're likely over-counting COVID19-caused deaths.

 

[EPB]

In America? I very much doubt it. In fact, I believe the statistical bias in America is that we're likely over-counting COVID19-caused deaths.

Sounds like you're a bitter clinger, deplorable, science denier who gets easily duped by Russian disinformation!

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[BenedictGomez]

Sounds like you're a bitter clinger, deplorable, science denier who gets easily duped by Russian disinformation!

That probably is the case.

Alternatively, it's the fact I've worked my entire career at the intersection of healthcare, finance, and statistics, which of course means nothing. I'm actually getting used to being told I'm wrong by people with not a scintilla of healthcare knowledge.

Healthcare & finance are the 2 things that everyone believes they are an "expert" in. Nobody tells their pilot, "umm, you know, I REALLY think you should adjust your aileron trim" or tells their plummer when or how to adjust their pipes, but everyone is an expert regarding healthcare and their retirement funds. C'est la vie.

 

[mbedle]

Sounds like you're a bitter clinger, deplorable, science denier who gets easily duped by Russian disinformation!

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lol

 

[mbedle]

On a global level? Yes, that is virtually 100% certain to be correct.

In America? I very much doubt it. In fact, I believe the statistical bias in America is that we're likely over-counting COVID19-caused deaths.

Any thoughts on this?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

 

[fbrissette]

You probably shouldn't be criticizing him about "alternate facts", Mr. "currently there is no vaccine candidate past Phase I", and Mr. we cant be close to a safe vaccine yet guy.

On a global level? Yes, that is virtually 100% certain to be correct.

In America? I very much doubt it. In fact, I believe the statistical bias in America is that we're likely over-counting COVID19-caused deaths.

There's lot of data on excess death now which shows you are wrong.

 

[fbrissette]

Healthcare & finance are the 2 things that everyone believes they are an "expert" in. Nobody tells their pilot, "umm, you know, I REALLY think you should adjust your aileron trim" or tells their plummer when or how to adjust their pipes, but everyone is an expert regarding healthcare and their retirement funds. C'est la vie.

That's funny, I've said the exact same thing about climate science for the past 20 years.

 

[hub8]

That probably is the case.

Alternatively, it's the fact I've worked my entire career at the intersection of healthcare, finance, and statistics, which of course means nothing. I'm actually getting used to being told I'm wrong by people with not a scintilla of healthcare knowledge.

Healthcare & finance are the 2 things that everyone believes they are an "expert" in. Nobody tells their pilot, "umm, you know, I REALLY think you should adjust your aileron trim" or tells their plummer when or how to adjust their pipes, but everyone is an expert regarding healthcare and their retirement funds. C'est la vie.

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[Edd]

That's funny, I've said the exact same thing about climate science for the past 20 years.

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[mister moose]

Healthcare & finance are the 2 things that everyone believes they are an "expert" in. Nobody tells their pilot, "umm, you know, I REALLY think you should adjust your aileron trim" or tells their plummer when or how to adjust their pipes, but everyone is an expert regarding healthcare and their retirement funds. C'est la vie.

That's funny, I've said the exact same thing about climate science for the past 20 years.

There's a difference.


There are expert plumbers that can positively identify the source of a leak and fix it, or an expert financial planner that can spreadsheet the tax consequences of different investments, or an expert doctor that can replace your knee joint. Each of these knows the source of the problem, has a complete understanding of the process, and can predict the outcome accurately. The same cannot be said in climate science. The forecasts for 2020 did not come true.

Everyone might think they have varying degrees of knowledge in climate science, but there are no experts in the field yet. We don't know all the sources definitively; we don't understand the process completely. There is no one that has proven the ability to formulate a predicted outcome on a repeated basis. There are no experts in climate science, there are only educated opinions.

 

[fbrissette]

There's a difference.


There are expert plumbers that can positively identify the source of a leak and fix it, or an expert financial planner that can spreadsheet the tax consequences of different investments, or an expert doctor that can replace your knee joint. Each of these knows the source of the problem, has a complete understanding of the process, and can predict the outcome accurately. The same cannot be said in climate science. The forecasts for 2020 did not come true.

Everyone might think they have varying degrees of knowledge in climate science, but there are no experts in the field yet. We don't know all the sources definitively; we don't understand the process completely. There is no one that has proven the ability to formulate a predicted outcome on a repeated basis. There are no experts in climate science, there are only educated opinions.

There are no differences. You are the perfect example of the problem. You are just an uneducated Joe (in climate science) who is just displaying his ignorance on a ski forum.

The forecasts for 2020 did not come true
WTF are you talking about ???? Just the fact that you mention 'forecast' with respect to climate testifies to your ignorance of this field.

There are no experts in climate science
?????? Climatology has always been part of the curriculum of all Atmospheric Science degrees since just about the beginning of all of those programs. Advanced degrees (MSC and PhD) in Climatology are offered in most major universities. The climate has been studied (in the written record) since at least several centuries before BC. Our understanding of greenhouse gases and their role in regulating the climate dates back to the early 1800s. The are several Scientific journals devoted to Climate Science. e,g, Journal of Climate, Climate Dynamics, Climate Research, International Journal of Climatology, Theoretical and Applied Climatology, Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology, and I am purposely not mentioning many of the Journals dealing specifically with climate change. We are talking tens of thousands of scientific articles published in the past decades.

Saying that there are no experts in Climate Science is as idiotic as saying the earth is flat.

Read the fricking actual science or shut up.

 

[JimG.]

Best part of ski resort response to COVID-19?

You get to ride lifts solo if you choose to do so. So I won't be in danger of discussing any of this bullshit while I'm skiing.

 

[1dog]

There's a difference.


There are expert plumbers that can positively identify the source of a leak and fix it, or an expert financial planner that can spreadsheet the tax consequences of different investments, or an expert doctor that can replace your knee joint. Each of these knows the source of the problem, has a complete understanding of the process, and can predict the outcome accurately. The same cannot be said in climate science. The forecasts for 2020 did not come true.

Everyone might think they have varying degrees of knowledge in climate science, but there are no experts in the field yet. We don't know all the sources definitively; we don't understand the process completely. There is no one that has proven the ability to formulate a predicted outcome on a repeated basis. There are no experts in climate science, there are only educated opinions.

Well put. And plenty of uneducated ones too.

 

[1dog]

Covid to climate - well, like Californians say ' I don't know whether to go to the beach or lunch - its a real problem because they BOTH end with 'ch'.

Single chair JimG!
Or how about agreeing if we get to ski this winter we should be grateful and shut up. Understand the passion though . . .

 

[kingslug]

Well you know when we're on the same hill..I'm not talking much..too busy skiing.

 

[mister moose]

There's a difference.

There are expert plumbers that can positively identify the source of a leak and fix it, or an expert financial planner that can spreadsheet the tax consequences of different investments, or an expert doctor that can replace your knee joint. Each of these knows the source of the problem, has a complete understanding of the process, and can predict the outcome accurately. The same cannot be said in climate science. The forecasts for 2020 did not come true.

Everyone might think they have varying degrees of knowledge in climate science, but there are no experts in the field yet. We don't know all the sources definitively; we don't understand the process completely. There is no one that has proven the ability to formulate a predicted outcome on a repeated basis. There are no experts in climate science, there are only educated opinions.

There are no differences. You are the perfect example of the problem. You are just an uneducated Joe (in climate science) who is just displaying his ignorance on a ski forum.

Yes, I'm an uneducated Joe in Climate Science. That doesn't mean I'm either a part of the problem (which you haven't identified) or that I cannot be an observer of the performance record in the field.

The forecasts for 2020 did not come true
WTF are you talking about ???? Just the fact that you mention 'forecast' with respect to climate testifies to your ignorance of this field.

This is the equivalent of saying that because I use the term cable instead of wire rope, I cannot comment on chairlifts. I am not worthy to address you.

Here's a forecast <cough> prediction that was made by climate science that was way off. There are still 25 active glaciers in Glacier National Park.



Climate science has been inaccurate on sea temperature increase, polar ice mass, and more. The record is not one of accuracy.

There are no experts in climate science
?????? Climatology has always been part of the curriculum of all Atmospheric Science degrees since just about the beginning of all of those programs. Advanced degrees (MSC and PhD) in Climatology are offered in most major universities. The climate has been studied (in the written record) since at least several centuries before BC. Our understanding of greenhouse gases and their role in regulating the climate dates back to the early 1800s. The are several Scientific journals devoted to Climate Science. e,g, Journal of Climate, Climate Dynamics, Climate Research, International Journal of Climatology, Theoretical and Applied Climatology, Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology, and I am purposely not mentioning many of the Journals dealing specifically with climate change. We are talking tens of thousands of scientific articles published in the past decades.

Saying that there are no experts in Climate Science is as idiotic as saying the earth is flat.

Read the fricking actual science or shut up.

Aside from having a tantrum on the internet, you apparently completely missed my description of the term "expert". You are proclaiming that an expert is the result of study, fancy titles and degrees. My point is that all those titles and degrees and thousands of articles do not of themselves grant you the ability to pronounce upon the pubic what is or is not a correct model on the future. You need to be correct, not just degreed and published. How is this lost on someone as educated as yourself?

I said

Each of these knows the source of the problem, has a complete understanding of the process, and can predict the outcome accurately. The same cannot be said in climate science.

Can you (or anyone) quantitatively state all the sources of climate change?
Can you (or anyone) state the complete process of how each factor interacts?
Can you (or anyone) predict (see, I used the word predict in my prior post) with repeatable accuracy future events on the basis of your current level of understanding?

If you can answer all 3 of those questions with a yes, then I will agree that you or whoever can is an expert. If the answer is no, then I would call you an educated specialist.

 

[zoomzoom]

i think i have it now. according to my source previously referenced, there are currently 235,347 deaths attributed to covid-19 . that number should be reduced by 94% so that the death is due purely to covid. this results in an actual number of covid deaths to date at around 14,000. for comparison, that's roughly how many folks die from the regular flu give or take a few thousand. so no big deal, and thx for that point of view.

 

[spiderpig]

Seems like this is no longer about ski resort response

 

[Smellytele]

Scope creep


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[icecoast1]

Best part of ski resort response to COVID-19?

You get to ride lifts solo if you choose to do so. So I won't be in danger of discussing any of this bullshit while I'm skiing.

You wont have to worry about talking about it while riding the lift, but you'll have plenty of time to argue about it in the lift line