awf170
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How does one set of skis without wax stick to snow and not slide at, when another set that was never waxed slide fine? Is the base different? The sticking was so bad that I did 3 faceplants in one run down...
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Skis sticking to snow?
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awf170 said:
Sure, blame the equipment... :roll:
Maybe you just can't ski...
awf170
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bvibert said:awf170 said:
Sure, blame the equipment... :roll:
Maybe you just can't ski...
Hey, after I switched skis I only did one faceplant the rest of the day... :lol:
My guess is that the skis that didn't slide at all need to have the bases restructured. The skis that did slide were newer, correct?
awf170
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JimG. said:
Bases restructured? Whats that mean? And, yeah the ones that slid were newer, but the other ones only have 15 days on them.
awf170 said:
Ski bases have small channels in them that serve to channel water away from the ski so that there isn't too much water between the ski and the snow. When a ski slides on snow, a small amount of heat is generated by friction and this heat melts the surface of the snow in a fractional way. In essence, skis slide because they are hydroplaning.
But, with too much water, the skis get sucked down onto the snow and you get that sticky feeling. You'll notice that it happens more frequently in warmer weather=more water. Skis need to be restructured at least once a season or every 20 days or so. Sounds like the sticky ones need to go into the shop.
awf170
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JimG. said:
the strange thing is that these skis were pretty sticky even when I got them. If I wax them every time before I go out do you think they would be fine.
NYDrew
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I agree with everything above said, but as I'm starting a little in home tuning business for kids at my school, I am starting to see more unexpected problems.
A)Shops and People generally don't know how to wax. Was there residual wax on the bottom of your skiis? Perhaps both had residual and one just happened to have high temp wax on. (One board I did still had so much wax after 20 days that I could have rewaxed them with what I scraped off.)
2)Snow conditions, especially in the east change MINUTE TO MINUTE. Was the snow the same?
3) Ski geometry, more surface area=more friction. A wider tip is also more likely to cause face plants in bad snow then a wider tail. To give you realistic example, think bikes with both front and back brakes...do you really want to use those front brakes at high speeds.
4)Either way, in the conditions we have been having lately, you shouldnt be skiing without wax.
Just some thoughts to ponder, Jim's solutions however is the one that is most likely correct. Restructure (base grind) is a cure all solution most of the time.
A)Shops and People generally don't know how to wax. Was there residual wax on the bottom of your skiis? Perhaps both had residual and one just happened to have high temp wax on. (One board I did still had so much wax after 20 days that I could have rewaxed them with what I scraped off.)
2)Snow conditions, especially in the east change MINUTE TO MINUTE. Was the snow the same?
3) Ski geometry, more surface area=more friction. A wider tip is also more likely to cause face plants in bad snow then a wider tail. To give you realistic example, think bikes with both front and back brakes...do you really want to use those front brakes at high speeds.
4)Either way, in the conditions we have been having lately, you shouldnt be skiing without wax.
Just some thoughts to ponder, Jim's solutions however is the one that is most likely correct. Restructure (base grind) is a cure all solution most of the time.
awf170
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A)Shops and People generally don't know how to wax. Was there residual wax on the bottom of your skiis? Perhaps both had residual and one just happened to have high temp wax on. (One board I did still had so much wax after 20 days that I could have rewaxed them with what I scraped off.)
I thought there was so warm weather wax on the skis from last april at wildcat, but my dad said there wasnt...
And no there wasnt a ton of wax stuck on them.
2)Snow conditions, especially in the east change MINUTE TO MINUTE. Was the snow the same?
It was exactly the same. Only 30 minutes between runs, and I did pretty much the same run.
3) Ski geometry, more surface area=more friction. A wider tip is also more likely to cause face plants in bad snow then a wider tail. To give you realistic example, think bikes with both front and back brakes...do you really want to use those front brakes at high speeds.
The second ski was a lot fatter.
4)Either way, in the conditions we have been having lately, you shouldnt be skiing without wax.
Yes, but the other skis were fine(yes I know they would be better with wax, but they still skied pretty good)
I thought there was so warm weather wax on the skis from last april at wildcat, but my dad said there wasnt...
And no there wasnt a ton of wax stuck on them.
2)Snow conditions, especially in the east change MINUTE TO MINUTE. Was the snow the same?
It was exactly the same. Only 30 minutes between runs, and I did pretty much the same run.
3) Ski geometry, more surface area=more friction. A wider tip is also more likely to cause face plants in bad snow then a wider tail. To give you realistic example, think bikes with both front and back brakes...do you really want to use those front brakes at high speeds.
The second ski was a lot fatter.
4)Either way, in the conditions we have been having lately, you shouldnt be skiing without wax.
Yes, but the other skis were fine(yes I know they would be better with wax, but they still skied pretty good)
NYDrew
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As expected. Jim is probably right, cure all.
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