Snowboard Ban???

[blacknblue]

This will be my last post in the thread..

OMG. Lighten up. This is your chance to shine...

PUUUULEASE!!!
I dont want to shine - I just want to snowboard where I want without a bunch of friggin passive agressive skiers blowing smoke up my ass...

This is your 'rational' discussion? Like I said, there are skiers here who want to be snowboarder apologist, but instead of engaging, you're just throwing around blanket anti-skier insults.
As a ski industry insider, I would say that there are very few skiers who are anti-snowboard. We all ski/ride together and the only divisions that arise are due to ability level. There's no question that a good snowboarder causes no disturbance in a skier's experience.
Actually, I take it back... I was skiing with my friend Jeff last week (a boarder) and I had to help skate him through the flat spots!
So what's the best thing a skier could do for a snowboarder on the hill? Help push him/her through a flat traverse? something else?
What's the best thing a snowboarder could do for a skier on the hill?
Maybe these questions would help the skier-rider chasm narrow a little...

 

[tree_skier]

I think it's time for everyone to get over it. MRG isn't going to change. The majority of the shareholders like it the way it is and as the saying goes "if it ain't broke don't fix it". That being said for everyone else in the east it could be financial suicide to now insert a ban on either riding or skiing.

:beer:

 

[dmc]

This will be my last post in the thread..

OMG. Lighten up. This is your chance to shine...

PUUUULEASE!!!
I dont want to shine - I just want to snowboard where I want without a bunch of friggin passive agressive skiers blowing smoke up my ass...

This is your 'rational' discussion? Like I said, there are skiers here who want to be snowboarder apologist, but instead of engaging, you're just throwing around blanket anti-skier insults.
As a ski industry insider, I would say that there are very few skiers who are anti-snowboard. We all ski/ride together and the only divisions that arise are due to ability level. There's no question that a good snowboarder causes no disturbance in a skier's experience.
Actually, I take it back... I was skiing with my friend Jeff last week (a boarder) and I had to help skate him through the flat spots!
So what's the best thing a skier could do for a snowboarder on the hill? Help push him/her through a flat traverse? something else?
What's the best thing a snowboarder could do for a skier on the hill?
Maybe these questions would help the skier-rider chasm narrow a little...

Go back and do a little reading before you blast me...
I've been at this debate for many threads... I have not insulted any skiers.. I ski!!!! I also telemark!!!

So go back a reread some thread... My whole thing is I don't want to rehash this whole thing over and over...

Is that SOOOOOOOOO bad???

If someone has something to add - other then...
1 - snowboarders always block trails
2 - snowboarders always scrape snow
3 - snowboarders are rude
4 - snowboarders hit people
5 - snowboarders talk in eubonics
6 - snowboarders llok stupid

I'll gladly chime in with something...

 

[dmc]

What's the best thing a snowboarder could do for a skier on the hill?
Maybe these questions would help the skier-rider chasm narrow a little...

I stop whenever I see a skier down and see if they need help...
I pick up their poles if I can...
I buy them beers when they show me good lines...

I do a ton of stuff but I do that for everyone... So I guess nothing really out of the ordinary...

 

[BrockVond]

My observation is that teens tend to gravitate toward boarding and most (certainly not all) boarders are young, and a substantial majority are male. If they were on skis they'd still be wreckless as hell. The world would be a safer place if all males were kep in a deep state of hibernation between the ages of 12 and 25

The gender gap is closing on snowboarding. A few years ago it was nearly 85% male.

Last year's stats:

Snowboarders:
65.7% Male
34.3% Female

Skiers:
57.4% Male
42.6% Female

 

[loafer89]

DMC:

Is my question correct, can snowboarders ski the same terrain as skiers can, with the same finess?
or is this just skier bias?

Also a question on the side regarding Hunter, will Westway in your opinion survive until next weekend (4/9-4/10)?.

 

[Brettski]

I find the entire topic ridiculous....

 

[dmc]

DMC:

Is my question correct, can snowboarders ski the same terrain as skiers can, with the same finess?
or is this just skier bias?

Also a question on the side regarding Hunter, will Westway in your opinion survive until next weekend (4/9-4/10)?.

I can ride the exact same terrain as skiers... The only problem is tight (zipper line) bumps... But I stay out of them in respect to the bumpers... I actualy do ski bumps and enjoy them on my Solomon 1080's..
Finess means nothing to me.. Do I have more finess then a skier??
sometimes yes - sometimes no..
Did my skier friends kick a nice 180 after dropping into the Left Gully and getting up on a wall at Tucks last year? NO...
Did they lead the tough traverse to the Chute? YES...
Do they crank sweet surf turns against drifts...? NO...
Can I hit a kicker on a bump course efficiently on a deck? NO...

It's all too subjective... I really don't care about the way someone looks... All I care is that they make it down safely and have a good time...

44 is getting sketchy in the middle... I'll let you know Monday how it looks..

 

[BrockVond]

As a ski industry insider, I would say that there are very few skiers who are anti-snowboard.

In a January 2002 survey, more than 7,000 Travelocity.com members responded to various questions about winter sports vacations. Several of the interesting findings from the poll shed light on the differences between skiers and snowboarders:

SKIERS: My Mountain

More than half of the skiers surveyed prefer not to share a mountain with non-skiers or want resorts to offer more exclusive mountains on which to ski.

SNOWBOARDERS: Sharing the Slopes

Snowboarders are more inclined to be "mountain friendly," as 77 percent say they do not mind gliding down the runs with others.

 

[bvibert]

I don't want to share the mountain with boarders either... but I also don't want to share it with other skiers... I'm selfish, so sue me I love a nice empty run!

I voted for "Ban everyone! I'm building my own area!" btw...

 

[loafer89]

I agree with you DMC it does not matter what form you have as long as you have fun. I just was asking because an instructor at Sugarloaf stated that snowboarders cannot make it down the steeper moguls as you just stated as easily as skiers.

I would be interested to try snowblading, it looks a bit difficult though.

 

[pepperdawg]

Wow!!! Worst post ever

A played-out topic....what is it 97 all over again?

I'm glad I was out playing on sweet sweet corn all day in 50 degree temps rather than having to watch this p1ss poor thread evole.

too tired (care factor too low) to pipe in with anything more.....Enjoyed the day today (Mt Snow) on my BOARD, as did everyone else reqardless of 1 or 2 sticks.

DMC - you know better than to care about sh!t like this brotha. :roll:

 

[awf170]

just allow them if a few misbehave them pull there tickets, then the word will get out that they dont accept any of that crap. I wish ski areas did more of that with skis and snowboarders.
I think this convo has run its course and we should just drop it(lock) but thats just my opinion

 

[skintowin]

I'm glad I was out playing on sweet sweet corn all day in 50 degree temps rather than having to watch this p1ss poor thread evole.

:roll:

Amen. Even the boarders know this is a dead horse.

 

[Lostone]

I voted for Other.

I know it is economically unfeasible for most ski areas, but I would want boarders not allowed on certain trails.

Those trails would be bump trails. The reason is not that they scrape them clean, but that they carve deep grooves along the trails which screw up the bumps.

I have a picture of Bravo at Sugarbush. It is from before there were snowboards. The bumps are all big and round.

They are never like that now. There are grooves going to the left, then the right. That is because people get on them and can't ski the bumps.

Skiers don't cause too much damage, because there are two surfaces onto which their weight is distributed. Boardes, on the other hadn have only one surface, and on a trail that steep, they really dig it in.

The second rider ends up in the same groove as the first. Then the third. Look at the trails. They are terrible, and it makes it hard for anyone to run it.

That is the main reason why Mad River doesn't want boards there. They kill the bumps. And they would never stay off the trails they are not able to ride.

This doesn't mean that no boarder can ride them, but (IMNATHO) you're talking about single numbers of the percentage of snowboarders.

As for the rude part, that has to do with who they are, not what they ride. I think it would be better for everyone to have manners, but that is a different thread. :wink:

 

[Big Game]

That is the main reason why Mad River doesn't want boards there. They kill the bumps. And they would never stay off the trails they are not able to ride.

This doesn't mean that no boarder can ride them, but (IMNATHO) you're talking about single numbers of the percentage of snowboarders.

One of my olde lawr school professor who has been skiing since Plessy v. Ferguson said he liked having boarders on the hill, because with the advent of shaped skis, he's gone to ski only joints and he noticed the the bumps get too tight. He claims with steady boarder traffic, the bumps get spaced a little nicer for him. This is only one person's viewpoint, so give it what you want.

 

[thetrailboss]

Well, some interesting feedback concerning this issue :smash: Thanks for keeping it level and fairly civil...it is a very old debate, but figured it was a good place to let out the views...

 

[dmc]

I have a picture of Bravo at Sugarbush. It is from before there were snowboards. The bumps are all big and round.

Not a good analogy...
Skis were huge back then.. I used to take my 210s though the bumps...
The more snowboarding got popular the shorter skis have gotten...

 

[mergs]

Love it or hate it? It has really spawned a massive discussion in the sister thread: "MRG's Single Chair Set for Renovations (?)" (See http://forums.alpinezone.com/viewtopic.php?t=3925 )

Sound off.

MRG is a private enterprise and they are entitled to do what they want re: snowboard policy.

That said, imo opinion its a bad business decision to prohibit snowboards. They are excluding a lot of potential paying customers. But as I understand it, being a cooperative, its not about business its about the skiing experience, similar to Taos. So ultimately they'll survive with the policy. After all snowboarders have lots of other options in the area.

I'd like to see a snowbard only area. Perhaps Stowe. 8)

 

[David Metsky]

I love the snowboard ban at MRG (and Alta). It's nice to have a few places where there are no snowboards considering that nearly all ski areas are mixed use. I wouldn't want more ski areas to adopt the ban, and if people wanted it, I think it would be fine to have a few board-only areas. WV tried it at Snow's Mountain for a while, but that wasn't the right place.

Every area doesn't have to be everything to everybody. It's OK for them to be different. I (and many other folks) feel that the atmosphere at MRG is different than at other areas, and the ban is one of the things that makes it different. Just like I wanted to retain the single, I want to retain the snowboard ban, because to me, that's part of what makes MRG special.

I tele at lots of ski areas, all of which (except MRG) allow boards. I have nothing against boarders, and I ski with many friends who board. I've tried it myself and hope to do more of it in the future. But there's nothing wrong with MRG the way it is. People go there because it is what it is, major change would be a disaster.

My vote would be Other - like the ban at MRG, don't feel the need for other places to adopt it.

-dave-