Snowboarder charged

[Phildozer]

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/6787778/detail.html


"A teenager has been charged with negligent homicide for colliding on his snowboard with a skier at Jackson Hole Mountain Resort a year ago."

Any thoughts?

 

[Sky]

I remember this from last year. Never knew there was video of the event. Hope I never see it. ....between 35 and 60 MPH? E Frickin Gad!

Although maybe...just maybe the video could become part of Mountain Safety footage for all the out-of-control folks that Ski Patrol track down. A little time out with this video might hit the mark?

I've seen a guy hit by a train...vital organs knocked out etc. This sounds similar...knocked out of skis is to be expected...gloves is a level up...Neck gator is like three levels up IMO.

Certainly a sad story for the surviving family members. I suspect the kid is wasted...killing someone, having this hang over his head for the past year...and now to be found guilty.

Tough story for all involved.

 

[JimG.]

Since this snowboarder has been formally charged, can anyone give me a good explanation of why any drunk involved in a fatal car accident shouldn't be similarly charged and locked up for a long time if found guilty?

Know what, I'll extend that to fatal car accidents caused by cell phone usage while driving too. Or reading a map while driving, applying makeup while driving, or any of the million other stupid things I see people doing behind the wheel.

Cause if they're gonna make an example of this kid, there are plenty of other stupid things people do we all need a poster boy for.

EDIT: if they have it on tape and he's found guilty, the kid on the snowboard ought to swing.

 

[Phildozer]

Since this snowboarder has been formally charged, can anyone give me a good explanation of why any drunk involved in a fatal car accident shouldn't be similarly charged and locked up for a long time if found guilty?

The snowboarder was charged, not convicted. He's still innocent.

 

[JimG.]

Since this snowboarder has been formally charged, can anyone give me a good explanation of why any drunk involved in a fatal car accident shouldn't be similarly charged and locked up for a long time if found guilty?

The snowboarder was charged, not convicted. He's still innocent.

That's why I put the "if" before "found guilty"...sorry, this topic really gets me amped up.
Too many loose cannons out there everywhere, not just the ski slopes.

 

[ckofer]

This is quite a charge and a very sad situation. Hopefully, this is handled very carefully to comply with the intent of the law. I guess any dangerous, careless conduct at some point becomes criminal.

As a rider and skier, I don't see much distinction between the sports-both are fun ways to slide down the mountains. Snowboarding, however, seems to bring out a punk element in some that we're not used to seeing in the skiing community. This accident could have happened the other way around too.

It's just tragic how many people's lives are affected by this.

 

[BeanoNYC]

I just feel bad for all involved. Not only does the 16 y/o have to live with the guilt of killing this woman, now he's dealing with this. I wonder how this will play out.

 

[NYDrew]

This isnt the first person facing jail time for such an incident. I know somewhere out there someone is doing hard time for taking a blind jump and killing a man.

I have no sympathy. When they finally let this MURDERER our of juvi hopefully he will have learned to turn cause we know bubba will have mapped out every turn in his instestines by then

 

[RIDEr]

I was there last year when it happened... luckily, I was on the other side of the mountain, but this certainly made headlines the entire week.

 

[JD]

scarry trend. I guess from what eye witnesses said, he was way outta control. It doesn't seem like people enjoy the progression as much as they should. It's OK to suck at things, and to stay in easy terrain. I am amazed at the people I see in the places I see them. I am amazed MORE people don't get killed. But I don't think the kid should be charged. It's not like he has a license from the state to snowboard. They don't regulate the quality of a rider like they do a driver or a pilot or machine operator. All you need to get up the hill is 50 dollars (or 80 if you live in freaking $towe). And if the kid sucks, and can't turn or stop, he's pretty much a projectile. It's just an accident, the woman knew it was dangerous when she bought her ticket, and I think we ALL recognize that other skiers are as much a hazard as a ice bump field.

 

[ckofer]

This is an emotional topic here. Let's just hope that the constitutional rights of everybody involved here are reflected in the process.

Many of us like to go fast but the fine print on the ticket doesn't mean we don't have some responsibility.

I noticed mention of a blind jump. It pains be to see kids wipe out on the landing area of a terrain park and just lay there. The responsibilities, IMHO, should be:

1) The fallen one needs to move as quickly as possible out of the landing area. Roll, ride, ski, whatever it takes. Ideally, this person can find his or her way to a more visible spot. I realize sometimes this person could be hurt and this is difficult or impossible.

2) The jumper needs to take inventory of what's going on before the jump. This is best with a spotter on the hill. Usually, but not always, hanging out for a minute before the jump can give a person a pretty good indication of what may be going on. A jumper could ask someone who isn't jumping to take a peak.

I don't think that there is enough said or done to help encourage this. If you count on common sense, you'll soon find it's not so common.

 

[Jester]

I disagree. EVERYONE needs to take the skiers responsibility code seriously.

 

[Jester]

scarry trend. I guess from what eye witnesses said, he was way outta control. It doesn't seem like people enjoy the progression as much as they should. It's OK to suck at things, and to stay in easy terrain. I am amazed at the people I see in the places I see them. I am amazed MORE people don't get killed. But I don't think the kid should be charged. It's not like he has a license from the state to snowboard. They don't regulate the quality of a rider like they do a driver or a pilot or machine operator. All you need to get up the hill is 50 dollars (or 80 if you live in freaking $towe). And if the kid sucks, and can't turn or stop, he's pretty much a projectile. It's just an accident, the woman knew it was dangerous when she bought her ticket, and I think we ALL recognize that other skiers are as much a hazard as a ice bump field.

 

[ckofer]

I disagree. EVERYONE needs to take the skiers responsibility code seriously.

With which do you disagree?

 

[pepperdawg]

I have no sympathy. When they finally let this MURDERER our of juvi ...

Huh? Murderer???

negligent homicide, big difference.

 

[RossiSkier]

It's a shame that that young lady's life was taken from her at such a young age. It's so very sad.

I bet there was a dozen or more young people who were doing something equally stupid, careless, and risky that day on the hill. That kid was just plain unlucky. Murderers plot their crimes. Don't think he had any malice towards her or anyone else. But he will live to ride again, and she will not.

He will need forgiveness from that young lady's family, not us. They both deserve to be in our prayers.

 

[Marc]

It's a shame that that young lady's life was taken from her at such a young age. It's so very sad.

I bet there was a dozen or more young people who were doing something equally stupid, careless, and risky that day on the hill. That kid was just plain unlucky. Murderers plot their crimes. Don't think he had any malice towards her or anyone else. But he will live to ride again, and she will not.

He will need forgiveness from that young lady's family, not us. They both deserve to be in our prayers.

False. Murder does not have to be premeditated to be murder.

 

[RossiSkier]

It's a shame that that young lady's life was taken from her at such a young age. It's so very sad.

I bet there was a dozen or more young people who were doing something equally stupid, careless, and risky that day on the hill. That kid was just plain unlucky. Murderers plot their crimes. Don't think he had any malice towards her or anyone else. But he will live to ride again, and she will not.

He will need forgiveness from that young lady's family, not us. They both deserve to be in our prayers.

False. Murder does not have to be premeditated to be murder.

Marc, you are an idiot.

 

[Marc]

It's a shame that that young lady's life was taken from her at such a young age. It's so very sad.

I bet there was a dozen or more young people who were doing something equally stupid, careless, and risky that day on the hill. That kid was just plain unlucky. Murderers plot their crimes. Don't think he had any malice towards her or anyone else. But he will live to ride again, and she will not.

He will need forgiveness from that young lady's family, not us. They both deserve to be in our prayers.

False. Murder does not have to be premeditated to be murder.

Marc, you are an idiot.

That is besides the point. I'm still right.

...murder in the second degree involves the intent to cause death, but without premeditation and deliberation.

Source:
http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558964/Murder.html

You said

Murderers plot their crimes.

This is untrue because it does not satisfy all possibilities. Murderers who are convicted in the second degree have not plotted anything, by definition.


On topic, I would think this kid would be charged with manslaughter, although according to Encarta, those who commit acts inherently dangerous to others qualifies as intent to kill. I think in this instance that concept is streched a bit, but I'm no lawyer.

Perhaps TB can enlighten us?

 

[Paul]

It's a shame that that young lady's life was taken from her at such a young age. It's so very sad.

I bet there was a dozen or more young people who were doing something equally stupid, careless, and risky that day on the hill. That kid was just plain unlucky. Murderers plot their crimes. Don't think he had any malice towards her or anyone else. But he will live to ride again, and she will not.

He will need forgiveness from that young lady's family, not us. They both deserve to be in our prayers.

False. Murder does not have to be premeditated to be murder.

Marc, you are an idiot.

And you, are a troll.

Main Entry: 2murder
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): mur·dered; mur·der·ing /'m&r-d(&-)ri[ng]/
transitive senses
1 : to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice
2 : to slaughter wantonly : SLAY
3 a : to put an end to b : TEASE, TORMENT c : MUTILATE, MANGLE <murders French> d : to defeat badly
intransitive senses : to commit murder
synonym see KILL

It doesn't have to be plotted, but malice and/or intent to harm needs to be proven.

I don't think he intended to hurt anyone, hence Negligent Homicide which, IMHO constitutes Manslaughter.