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ALLSKIING

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MONDAY, DECEMBER 26, 2005 9:35 AM

Ever since winter officially began last week, the weather in the Northeast (and across much of the country) has gone the other way. It's not that we're having a heat wave in the Northeast, but we are certainly in a different regime that we were earlier in the month.

One thing is similar: there is a trough anchored over the Aleutians. A new development has been a separate stream of storms that roll east across the Pacific and then move inland through California. San Francisco had more than 3 inches of rain on the 17th and 18th, more than an inch on the 21st and 22nd, more rain yesterday, then rain with thunderstorms and gale force wind gusts earlier this morning.

Now, if there was mound of cold air in Eastern Canada that unleashed cold shots behind oneach storm, the Northeast could experience quite a few snowfalls with this pattern, along with the ice that is common closer to the edge of the cold airmass. But now there is no real cold air around. Even on top of Mt. Washington, NH, it was 34 degrees this morning! Their average high at this time of year is 16; the low is minus 2. And, thunderstorms broke out in Connecticut this morning and were heading north-northeast!

The reason for the big warmup in the Northeast can be traced to the breakdown of high-latitude blocking. Earllier in the month, there was a high pressure area over extreme northeastern Canada and Greenland. When that happens, the cold vortex is forced to move south, and cold air pours across the Great Lakes and Northeast. Now the high is gone, and the vortex is way up where the high pressure had been. This setup can lead to mild winter weather for the Midwest and Northeast. However, that is not always the case. If the high pressure area between the Aleutian low and the Davis Staits low can amplify, a lot of cold air can drift southward through central and southern Canada. And, sometimes, there is a split in the flow farther east. Troughs can amplify in Southeast Canada to draw cold air into the Northeast.

On the other hand, if the split in the flow is farther south, a series of storms will simply move east from California across the Rockies and Central Plains, and then wind up on the Middle Atlantic Coast..all without tapping into the cold air. That's what's happening now. So far, we see this situation lasting through the end of the year, and the GFS shows it persisting next week as well. This suggests that today's California rainstorm will move east to cause rain the the Middle and North Atlantic states (snow is still a viable possibility in the mountains of Northern New England and there could be ice at the start farther south (though probably not in the cities from Boston to Washington)). Another one could visit during New Years weekend. Does that mean the traditional New Years Eve will be re-worded to "Cold acquaintance be forgot, and never brought to mind?" Or will things change to make that prospect into an auld lying syne?

Even if there is no fundamental shift in the pattern to extreme cold in the Northeast any time soon, that does not mean it cannot snow. It does appear that low level cold air will advance southward through Canada this week, and at least some of it could be tapped by storms passing to its south. In fact, some of the snowiest patterns the region has ever experienced (January 1978, for example) started out in ways somewhat similar to the situation in effect this week. So, for snow there is hope, but for most areas this week it is nope!


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This weather really, really bites. :x I'd say something else, but then I would have to edit myself...

Trying to :lol: sarcastically...
 

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thetrailboss said:
This weather really, really bites. :x I'd say something else, but then I would have to edit myself...

You can say it... :D

Personally I'm not too concerned, frustrated yes, but this "December Thaw" has happened for the last two years, and generally the snow has been pretty good once the new year starts.

Then again this is the North East, so my comment above is just me being optimistic :)
 

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shenty said:
thetrailboss said:
This weather really, really bites. :x I'd say something else, but then I would have to edit myself...

You can say it... :D

Personally I'm not too concerned, frustrated yes, but this "December Thaw" has happened for the last two years, and generally the snow has been pretty good once the new year starts.

Then again this is the North East, so my comment above is just me being optimistic :)

I agree. There's no sense getting all worked up about it. It's unfortunate for sure, but the NE will bouce back and this bad stretch will just be a memory. It's my understanding the further you go north and west the less the impact will be.
 

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Tough Week.

One year I worked a shop at the base of a major ski area and during this vacation week it rained. In fact the cover wasn't very good that year, certainly not as good as this year, going into X-mass. When it rains everyone stays indoors so in some ways it helps the hard core skier. Skiing in the rain can be fun. However, having all these bumbed out people milling around the shop and not buying was the pits. The poor fella that owned our shop didn't help matters any as he was terribly depressed that year about his debts. Now, I always expect rain this week and plan accordingly. If it snows, then I am pleasantly surprised.
 

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don't get your hopes up.

hammer said:
FWIW, I was at Bretton Woods yesterday and I saw no ice there, although I was only on the groomers...
You won't see ice until this rain and warm weather soaks into the snow, melts it and then it freezes solid.
 

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Re: don't get your hopes up.

skiguy said:
hammer said:
FWIW, I was at Bretton Woods yesterday and I saw no ice there, although I was only on the groomers...
You won't see ice until this rain and warm weather soaks into the snow, melts it and then it freezes solid.
I was at Cranmore the day before and I saw plenty of ice there, although they did a good job of grooming it up so it was definitely edgeable. Got even better when it softened up later in the day.

I realize that the more correct term for these conditions may be "loose granular", but I still call it ice...
 

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Was at bellearyre yesterday and all trails were 2 to 4 inches of sugar on a solid bed of ice...on a positive note solid bed of ice is a good base for april
 

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Although this weather sucks I'm not getting terribly worked up over it for the season. As someone pointed out, this December thaw thing has been happening quite a bit over the last few years. If I remember correctly, a few winters ago when we had one of our best winters, we (at Belleayre) didn't even have half of the mountain open by the end of the year. This year, most of the mountain was open before Christmas.

So there is hope. I'm certainly hoping for snow. It only takes a couple of good dumps to bring back the great conditions. It may only take one dump since we do actually have a nice base right now.

The good (and bad) of the whole thing is, most people (not the hard core skiers) stop going after President's Day. We (the patrollers) always celebrate a little after that weekend. It usually means we get more time to ski and less time treating injured people. :)

Of course the bad of it is we can't take advantage of the great conditions with more skier visits like the mountains need. Heck, I'll take what I can get though. :)
 

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I am blacked out with my ASC Bronze pass anyway, so I guess that this weather works out for me. I just hope that February is kind to skiing, especially presidents week.

The weather change is really remarkable from last week, it's currently 53F here at home with the temperature rising by the minute :eek:

I read that it was 61F on Christmas day in CALGARY, where the normal high is 29F, so the weather has really gone loopy. I think that the change back to cold weather will be just as sudden, but last 2-3 weeks before another warm up.

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Oh well, I guess I don't mind... I mean, I really would like to catch a bit powder, but you do what you can.

Surf's up and the water is still warm. Looks like RI and Cape Cod spots will be firing. :D
 
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