Stenger and Quiros Ousted from Management of Jay Peak and Burke

[AdironRider]

Disagree. It's iconic simply because there is only a few. Iconic doesn't necessarily equate to popular.

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Trams are neat and cool and kids love them. Jay does not do enough business to have anything be considered iconic however.

Skiers are a minority even among Vermont residents. I guarantee you the majority of even the Vermont population doesn't even know they have a tram.

Again, nobody goes to Jay solely to ride the tram, they go because they get good snow. How can it be iconic if it is not a primary driver of visitation?

 

[VTKilarney]

Disagree. It's iconic simply because there is only a few. Iconic doesn't necessarily equate to popular.

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Bingo. Some people need to hit the dictionary.


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[Quietman]

What exactly are the benefits of a tram if the capacity is so low? They obviously don't appear to be cost efficient to maintain.

Summer tourists @$10 per trip.

 

[deadheadskier]

It's arguably the most recognizable lift in Vermont.

I would agree. It and the MRG single are the only two lifts in the state I'd consider iconic; a feature people heavily associate a mountain with.

It may not be efficient to ski from, but the experience and views being that high off the ground (especially for non-skiers) is pretty cool.

Nothing like it in not only VT, but all the East Coast. (At least that I've experienced) Jay Tram > Cannon Tram simply because of how how high off the ground it gets.

 

[gladerider]

Trams are neat and cool and kids love them. Jay does not do enough business to have anything be considered iconic however.

Skiers are a minority even among Vermont residents. I guarantee you the majority of even the Vermont population doesn't even know they have a tram.

Again, nobody goes to Jay solely to ride the tram, they go because they get good snow. How can it be iconic if it is not a primary driver of visitation?

not arguing with you about the popularity of Jay. i can certainly see the tram being part of the brand image for Jay. it helps Jay to be unique and different than others. i agree that it may not attract people on it's own. i could be wrong, but isn't it the only tram in NVT? and that it helps people to recognize Jay? i can see how someone can call it iconic just for that reason.

 

[MG Skier]

Nice pic deaheadskier!

My girl and I hiked up a few years back and we were shocked the ride down was free. I am sure the couples getting married appreciate the tram. BTW down is a whole different experience than up, of course not holding onto skis and poles was too.

Just keep the Tram Ale flowing.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

i could be wrong, but isn't it the only tram in NVT?

only tram in vermont, period.

it is certainly iconic.

it's also certainly a pain in the fucking ass to ski valhalla and the face.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Jay's is a mere 360 per hour.

Iconically inefficient, leading to an iconically sub-optimal skiing experience.

 

[machski]

Look how Jay's top terminal is installed. It is bolted to the face of the summit. Where and how would any of you propose to install a top detach lift terminal there? You could not without blasting the hell out of the summit. I have heard if they had tried to install the Tram from scratch today, they would have never gotten the permits for it from the State. The Tram is staying. The only other option to access the summit IMHO would be a short FG chair accessible after riding the flyer.

 

[thetrailboss]

It's basically old technology. I love them, but they are inefficient.

They work great in Europe where you are going up nearly vertiCal terrain over places you can't install towers.

Absolutely no technical reason Jay needs a tram. Newer lifts or Funitels could handle wind better I believe.

Have you ridden the Tram at Jay? There is a pretty good technical reason for it at the summit...steep cliffs that you describe.


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[thetrailboss]

only tram in vermont, period.

it is certainly iconic.

it's also certainly a pain in the fucking ass to ski valhalla and the face.

Exactly. When folks think of Jay they think of snow, the Tram, and now the water park. Is it the most ideal lift? No.


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[BenedictGomez]

The only other option to access the summit IMHO would be a short FG chair accessible after riding the flyer.

Sign me up for that. It would be nice to ski Green Beret and Valhalla more than once or twice a year.

 

[Smellytele]

Exactly. When folks think of Jay they think of snow, the Tram, and now the water park. Is it the most ideal lift? No.


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I think trees and how I wish they had a chair up Northway like they used to. Waiting in Cannon Tram line > Jay Tram line

 

[Zermatt]

Have you ridden the Tram at Jay? There is a pretty good technical reason for it at the summit...steep cliffs that you describe.


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I agree, they'd have to chop apart the peak to get a chair in there. I forgot how steep it is at the top.

 

[Smellytele]

I agree, they'd have to chop apart the peak to get a chair in there. I forgot how steep it is at the top.

au contraire mon ami...

 

[steamboat1]

Summer tourists @$10 per trip.

It's $20 to ride the K-1 gondola for a scenic ride year round. Believe me quite a few people ride it during the winter just to get to the Peak Lodge for lunch (moo money).

 

[yeggous]

It's $20 to ride the K-1 gondola for a scenic ride year round. Believe me quite a few people ride it during the winter just to get to the Peak Lodge for lunch (moo money).

This why I give credit to Bretton Woods. They give free chairlift rides in the summer. That way you can take the chair up to get lunch at Latitude 44. They're gotten my money that way. I really wish Cranmore would do the same.


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[drjeff]

Even Jackson's tram is inefficient at 600 people per hour max. Jay's capacity is probably substantially less on theirs.

And yet Jackson spent what?? 15 million if I recall correctly, a few years ago to replace the tram after outcry from many over the alternative replacement plans which was what a Gondola and a chair?? Or 2 gondolas?? I can't remember the exact details, but do recall that those options were cheaper than a new tram, but the public outcry over removing a truly iconic lift was compelling enough for them to spend the extra cash for the new tram

Let's be honest in the East, for truly high recognition lifts, the kind that even non skiers have likely seen pictures of, Mad River's Single and Jay's Tram (IMHO more so than Cannon's tram) are on that short list

 

[steamboat1]

Pardon my error, it's $20 one way, $25 round trip. $75 for a family of 4. That doesn't include lunch. Cha ching.

 

[deadheadskier]

Let's be honest in the East, for truly high recognition lifts, the kind that even non skiers have likely seen pictures of, Mad River's Single and Jay's Tram (IMHO more so than Cannon's tram) are on that short list

Yup, that's pretty much the short list.

All the old iconic lifts are gone besides those for the most part. I'm thinking Sugarloaf, Wildcat and Sugarbush gondolas. Original K Peak Gondola. Cranmore Ski Mobile. Stowe single chairs with blankets.

You can leave the Tram and reinstall the old double as has been mentioned several times. That to me is the best option to improve the peak ski experience at Jay while also preserving history