Summer 2018 Northeast Offseason Improvements

[sull1102]

With May less than a week away and only the usual suspects left in the game I thought I would start a thread to keep track of who announces what for offseason improvements this year. It is still early, but already there have been some pretty big announcements and a lot of big projects are in the works. I'll add to this list as more is announced.

As of 5/9/18

Vermont

Magic- BLACK QUAD INSTALL!!! Green Chair install, and snowmaking improvements
Mount Snow- Carinthia Base Lodge and parking garage, additional chairs on Nitro
Stratton- Snow Bowl HSQ replacing FGQ, downhill mtb park(not skiing related but a big investment)
Killington- Snowdon Bubble Six, K1 Gondola new cabins and storage barn, RFID tech, Snowshed/Snowdon tunnels, and the almighty South Ridge Quad
Jay Peak- New Owner?
Ascutney- T-Bar Install

New Hampshire

Bretton Woods- New 4 season 8-person Gondola
Waterville Valley- New High Country T-Bar

New York

Hunter- Hunter North with 5 new trails and a Detach 6-pack

 

[bdfreetuna]

How's the Balsams Wilderness coming along?

 

[drjeff]

How's the Balsams Wilderness coming along?

Les is more apparently now....

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[xlr8r]

Killington, and Pico are also getting RFID gates to replace scanners. I think there are rumors of Stratton, Loon, Sunday River, and Sugarloaf getting them as well so that the RFID in the Ikon pass is compatible at all mountains on the pass.

 

[skiur]

Killington is also putting in a few tunnels on the snowshed crossover and on Snowdon.

 

[Glenn]

Haystack: Financial improvements and overall restructuring.

 

[Smellytele]

Jay peak and Burke getting sold

 

[VTKilarney]

Jay peak and Burke getting sold

Word on the street is that Jay will sell much more quickly than Burke. The Burke condo owners were told that they should expect the receiver to be running to resort for the duration of next ski season.

 

[sull1102]

Word on the street is that Jay will sell much more quickly than Burke. The Burke condo owners were told that they should expect the receiver to be running to resort for the duration of next ski season.

Total shocker! Actually what will be somewhat surprising is selling Jay and not making the new guy take on Burke just to offload it.

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[tumbler]

Total shocker! Annually what will be somewhat surprising is selling Jay and not making the new guy take on Burke just to offload it.

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They probably think they can get more by selling each indivdually.

 

[MEtoVTSkier]

Killington Poma moved to Swirl, adding new snowmaking for whatever is needed for the new "training" area there. K-1 gondola storage barn enclosed.

 

[Jully]

They probably think they can get more by selling each indivdually.

Not wrong, it'll just be hard to sell Burke. If you sold them together you would get the price of Jay plus a few pennies haha. Selling Burke separately creates a floor for what the price can be.

 

[Glenn]

Anyone know how many owners Burke has had? It seems like it's changed hands a lot over the last 20 or so years.

 

[St. Jerry]

Gore: Employees will be getting even more bad attitude

 

[machski]

Apparently Loon is replacing their Gondola cabins this summer or fall (fall probably between summer/winter ops) with new but still 4 passenger cabins. Wonder how much that is costing, I don't think CWA makes 4 pax cabins very often so this has to be a special order.
http://www.newenglandskiindustry.com/viewstory.php?storyid=699

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[thetrailboss]

Anyone know how many owners Burke has had? It seems like it's changed hands a lot over the last 20 or so years.

Here is my understanding...to the best of my memory:

Founding-1960 or so: local shareholders
1960 or so-1986 or so: Doug Kitchell
1986 or so-1989: Quinn
1989-1991: Creditor Bank
1991-1995: Bear Kingdom Limited (money laundering scheme for German Movie Mogul)
1995-2000: Northern Star, Ltd.
Sept.-Oct. 2000: Unidentified Scrap Dealer
Oct. 2000-2005: Burke 2000 (related entity to BMA)
2005-2012: Lubert Adler and Related Entities (operated by Ginn 2005-2008; Crave 2008-2012)
2012-2016: Q
2016-Present: Receiver on behalf of EB-5 investors.

Any questions?

 

[sull1102]

Apparently Loon is replacing their Gondola cabins this summer or fall (fall probably between summer/winter ops) with new but still 4 passenger cabins. Wonder how much that is costing, I don't think CWA makes 4 pax cabins very often so this has to be a special order.
http://www.newenglandskiindustry.com/viewstory.php?storyid=699

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Wow! That must be a pretty rare order in 2018, 4 passengers always feels so tight but maybe they've found a way to get a little more interior space. I'll do just about ANYTHING to get one of the old ones of and when they sell em.

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[cdskier]

I'll do just about ANYTHING to get one of the old ones of and when they sell em.

According to that article they are selling them for $1250 each (first being offered to passholders)

 

[Glenn]

Here is my understanding...to the best of my memory:

Founding-1960 or so: local shareholders
1960 or so-1986 or so: Doug Kitchell
1986 or so-1989: Quinn
1989-1991: Creditor Bank
1991-1995: Bear Kingdom Limited (money laundering scheme for German Movie Mogul)
1995-2000: Northern Star, Ltd.
Sept.-Oct. 2000: Unidentified Scrap Dealer
Oct. 2000-2005: Burke 2000 (related entity to BMA)
2005-2012: Lubert Adler and Related Entities (operated by Ginn 2005-2008; Crave 2008-2012)
2012-2016: Q
2016-Present: Receiver on behalf of EB-5 investors.

Any questions?

HA! That's quite a list! It's changed hands a lot. I remember the hub-bub back in the day when the Never Ending Story guy bought the place.

 

[Smellytele]

Wow! That must be a pretty rare order in 2018, 4 passengers always feels so tight but maybe they've found a way to get a little more interior space. I'll do just about ANYTHING to get one of the old ones of and when they sell em.

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You should have ridden in the old Wildcat/Sugarbush/Sugarloaf 2 person ones.