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Summer 2018 Northeast Offseason Improvements

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Worth noting that Great Bear now has snowmaking and the 'cop out' has been removed, the trail will now be marked black top to bottom.

source: Killington's website: https://www.killington.com/the-moun...ain-improvements/snowdon-trails?season=winter

I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to open that up early to have another black open. (Though it isn't exactly a full length run, you'll have to ski Chute & GN to lap it.

Bonus: New trail map at the link above as well.
 

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Hopefully the "removal" of Mouse Trap along with the greater continuous flow of Great Northern as well as Chute & Bunny Buster achieves the expected results. Improved skier flow and less icy high traffic confusion.

Not sure why they are spending any $ on Great Bear especially considering how early that trail often opens on natural snow. A tunnel? Ok. Kind of a low-traffic trail but maybe they want to change that.

Gotta give K props for addressing the most common complaints (Snowdon congestion in particular).

I'm always in favor of black diamonds getting turned into blue squares (just to combat the plight of trail rating inflation). Not sure if it will be any less steep in that section but I assume it'll be groomed a lot more.
 

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Bear Trap is actually a familiar name. It used to be the current day Upper Bear Claw right next door, and Upper Bear Claw used to be the Stash before the park went in. So the names will swap with Lower Stash park closing.

The snowmaking is going in to Great Bear to provide more downhill capacity with the new lift going in. It won't be a signature trail, but it will become more of a core run after the tunnel goes in next year.

I like the changes in general, but especially to Bunny Buster basically returning to the its original routing/name before they built Mouse Trap which blew away Middle Bunny.
 

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Crowding will balance out on the hill. With the old Quad going to South Ridge, the new 6 pack is completely a net gain in eating people. Figuring around 90 chairs total, 45 going uphill averaging 5 people per chair is 225 people going up. Add in another 200 in line (that's a reasonable 5 minute wait or less). That's 425 people net gain to Killington's capacity. Figure a higher utilization of terrain on South Ridge and it's fair to say the mountain can comfortably handle another 500 people. Not a huge number for a resort that can attract 15k on a busy Saturday but enough to take some pressure off the rest of the mountain for sure.

Another way to look at 500 people...
10 tour buses
125 family SUV's
63 full gondi cabins.
 

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Plus the cripple will be running on those days.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the cripple, when it runs, will be for the KMS athlete's only the majority of the time. The public's best chance for access wouldn't surprise me if it was just during times when they're waiting to get the Snowdon 6 de-iced. Time will tell....
 

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According to K ops personnel, as of now if the lift runs it will be open to the public. If there is not enough traffic to warrant running it, KMS will be using the 6 pack. Round trip time with no to minimal line there vs midstation is a wash.

Furthermore from a liability perspective you should not operate a lift to the mid-station only.
 
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According to K ops personnel, as of now if the lift runs it will be open to the public. If there is not enough traffic to warrant running it, KMS will be using the 6 pack. Round trip time with no to minimal line there vs midstation is a wash.

Furthermore from a liability perspective you should not operate a lift to the mid-station only.

Good to hear. Always appreciate your insight Newpylong.

Crazy to think that now there'll be 2 HSQ's, the gondola, a triple, and a 6 pack running out of the base of the North side of the resort. 25 years ago it was 1 HSQ, a triple, and 3 doubles. All that added lift capacity with the same lodges lol.
 

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Fun fact, he also told me that currently, the River encompasses 3000 acres, and they have 5000 acres undeveloped out beyond Jordan. Between the lodges and hotels and operations and grounds, 3000 acres and 2 million maintenance budget, I'm saying wow!

If you're a visual learner, check out the parcel viewer (you'll have to search / pan / zoom otherwise get to Newry, as I don't see a direct-link option) and note that CNL owns a large parcel north of Nordic Knoll Rd (basically north across Sunday River Rd from the golf club, directly north of Nordic Knoll Rd) that goes all the way to the Sunday River Whitecap ridgeline overlooking Rt 26 through the Bear River valley.

I'm fairly sure they also have substantial holdings in Riley Township, but the unorganized township parcel data doesn't show ownership.
 

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Loading from the mid station is how the River generally opens the first week. You can load and unload at the bottom, but for skiing, you do laps at the mid station to the top. Ummmm... I'm not sure about the downloading, I may have that wrong, maybe there is one trail down...
 

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Loading from the mid station is how the River generally opens the first week. You can load and unload at the bottom, but for skiing, you do laps at the mid station to the top. Ummmm... I'm not sure about the downloading, I may have that wrong, maybe there is one trail down...

I think Newpylong is saying going from bottom to mid station and forcing everyone to unload there is the liability problem because it is fairly easy to "miss" the unload.

I would image loading at the midstation and going to the top is less problematic.
 

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yes sir - Though I've seen places out west do it, Tramway boards and insurance carriers frown upon UN-loading at the mid-station only. There is no guarantee people will get off and generally stopping the lift and having someone jump off is not acceptable. Neither is sending someone to the top and around.

Killington was a little different than SR in that you used to download from the very top, the mid-station platform was only on the uphill side.
 

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if the cripple, when it runs, will be for the KMS athlete's only the majority of the time. The public's best chance for access wouldn't surprise me if it was just during times when they're waiting to get the Snowdon 6 de-iced. Time will tell....
I would have a serious problem with that if that happens to occur. Sometimes that's the only lift without a wait to get you to the higher lifts.

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Loading from the mid station is how the River generally opens the first week. You can load and unload at the bottom, but for skiing, you do laps at the mid station to the top. Ummmm... I'm not sure about the downloading, I may have that wrong, maybe there is one trail down...
The official route down is often downloading from the midstation. Often, they try to make all the way down the punches but often they come up short on opening day. Lets just say in the past, the rope policy has been a bit relaxed (at least when they don't have an active groomer on the run).

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