Tell Me Where I’m Wrong Thread

[highpeaksdrifter]

Post an opinion about a ski area, ski equipment, or any thing ski related you can think of that you know some people will disagree with then let them take their best shot and prove you wrong.

I’ll start: Mogul skis are a complete waste for anyone who is not in competition all the time. In other words a waste for a recreational skier who I believe describes everyone in this forum.

The skies are completely useless on any other part of the mountain. They really don’t help those without expert bump skills. If you can ski bumps well you can ski them on any ski.

So if you have them don't get mad just tell me where I'm wrong.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

People who show up at the mountain later than 8:30AM on a weekend are a complete waste of space and losers who aren't into skiing.

 

[ckofer]

Okemo is overrated.

 

[Paul]

Okemo is overrated.

Skiing is only as fun or challenging as you make it. Even if you are at Okemo.;-)

 

[Greg]

I’ll start: Mogul skis are a complete waste for anyone who is not in competition all the time. In other words a waste for a recreational skier who I believe describes everyone in this forum.

The skies are completely useless on any other part of the mountain. They really don’t help those without expert bump skills. If you can ski bumps well you can ski them on any ski.

So if you have them don't get mad just tell me where I'm wrong.

Have you ever skied a comp level bump ski? If not, you are wrong.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

People who show up at the mountain later than 8:30AM on a weekend are a complete waste of space and losers who aren't into skiing.

I'm there at 8:00, but have friends who come later. They are skilled skiers and certainly not losers. They also usually ski to last chair. Many of them ski so frequently they feel no need to get every run in they can cause they know they'll be there the next day. On a powder day they always show early.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Have you ever skied a comp level bump ski? If not, you are wrong.

OK, I never have. What do they do for you that you can't do on your other skis? How do they make you better?

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Okemo is overrated.

In what way? They market a great snowmaking and grooming product. Is that not what you get when you go there?

 

[Paul]

In what way? They market a great snowmaking and grooming product. Is that not what you get when you go there?

Yeah, its just like Whiteface only steeper.

 

[Greg]

OK, I never have. What do they do for you that you can't do on your other skis? How do they make you better?

No fair! I already proved you wrong...

Seriously, for me, the biggest thing my bump skis have done for me was to let me learn to get my stance tight. As you know, that's very important in the bumps. I also believe it's the best position in powder and other variable terrain.

Since the bump skis let me understand how to create a single stable platform, I am also able to keep my feet locked for the most part also on my mid fats now. Obviously, any soft straight ski would let you do this too, but I wasn't about to search eBay for a 10 year old ski.

Bump skis also have very soft tails so they don't hang up on the backside of the bump. They just release. You're almost not even aware of that section of ski behind you.

My CaBrawlers are also very light (the pair is 11 lbs.) and quick turning which I like. With that said, they are not as horrible out of the bumps as everyone thinks they are. They're not great carving skis, but I don't ski that way anyway.

Anyway, after owning a pair, I will always have a pair of bump skis as part of my quiver. On a day that I'm skiing mostly bumps, I wouldn't want to be on anything else.

So....how'd I do? :razz: BTW, some great thread topics today, HPD. You really are the best at that!
:beer:

 

[ckofer]

In what way? They (Okemo) market a great snowmaking and grooming product. Is that not what you get when you go there?

For such a large place you don't seem to get a big mountain experience. I will agree that they accomplish what they set out to do. I just wish they could factor in a little more variety.

 

[riverc0il]

People who show up at the mountain later than 8:30AM on a weekend are a complete waste of space and losers who aren't into skiing.

Just because people don't get fresh untracked does not make them losers who aren't into skiing. They just don't know what they are missing... or perhaps don't care but that may be more related to not knowing what they are missing. Then again, come two months from now, when I go ski Spring Corn, I am not likely to leave my house until 8:30am, let alone show up at a ski area that early before things corn up.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

No fair! I already proved you wrong...

You didn't prove me wrong, you just showed everyone my opinion is uninformed. I've never been heli skiing in BC, but I have an opinion it would be good. So I may be talking out of my ass, but I could still be right, although your informed opinion holds more weight.

So....how'd I do? :

You did good. A friend who has some offered to let me try his, but I never felt like it. I think I will know.

 

[billski]

Just because people don't get fresh untracked does not make them losers who aren't into skiing. They just don't know what they are missing... or perhaps don't care but that may be more related to not knowing what they are missing. Then again, come two months from now, when I go ski Spring Corn, I am not likely to leave my house until 8:30am, let alone show up at a ski area that early before things corn up.

I oftentimes get to the mountain late unlike when I was younger and always waited for the first chair. I primarily daytrip and we sometimes drive 3 hours. Couple this with being a lot older, getting up before 5am has gotten much more difficult.
Now, when I'm staying within 10/20 miles of a resort, I always get the first chair, even Stowe's 7:30am Quad.

 

[andyzee]

I oftentimes get to the mountain late unlike when I was younger and always waited for the first chair. I primarily daytrip and we sometimes drive 3 hours. Couple this with being a lot older, getting up before 5am has gotten much more difficult.
Now, when I'm staying within 10/20 miles of a resort, I always get the first chair, even Stowe's 7:30am Quad.

Your not that old yet, if you were, getting up at 5 am would be the norm Just ask OldsnowboarderME

 

[2knees]

For such a large place you don't seem to get a big mountain experience. I will agree that they accomplish what they set out to do. I just wish they could factor in a little more variety.

MRG it is not, but as i found out, its not ALL groomers and such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3Z4XYlhtRM

 

[campgottagopee]

People who show up at the mountain later than 8:30AM on a weekend are a complete waste of space and losers who aren't into skiing.

From BEETLENUT:
Wow, where to begin?

Wife not nagging, sick mostly: Chronic Lyme disease
10 year old boy:Lyme induced Autism
4 year old boy: enough said
Thousands and Thousands of dollars in Medical debt:I also pay insurance premiums for all the good that does.
Time off from work: Not a problem
Driving: until this year not a big deal, but with the rising gas prices now a factor.
Biggest factor: Having all the planets align perfectly on the day I want to go (i.e. wife can actually get out of bed that day and take care of the two high energy boys, I have enough money to pull off the day of skiing, the weather happens to cooperate, I'm not sick, and no crisis rears its ugly head hours before I leave).

Sucks to be me...


NUFF SAID..........

 

[billski]

Your not that old yet, if you were, getting up at 5 am would be the norm Just ask OldsnowboarderME

i get up at 5. but my essential phrase was "before 5"

 

[jack97]

I’Mogul skis are a complete waste for anyone who is not in competition all the time. In other words a waste for a recreational skier who I believe describes everyone in this forum.

The skies are completely useless on any other part of the mountain. They really don’t help those without expert bump skills. If you can ski bumps well you can ski them on any ski.

I agree that if you can ski bumps well, you can do that on other skis. However as Greg points out bumps skis helps in getting to that point, the stance for example. I would add other technical aspect like using the front part of the ski, keeping shin pressure and the hip forward to make turns. You have to do more work on making a turn on the flats with a bump ski. IMO, present day carvers and midfats have so much shape that they can "turn on their own", keeping track or developing the tech to make a mogul turn can grow lax.

 

[kcyanks1]

What passes for moguls or bump at most ski areas are just rutted runs that the ski operator was lazy or too cheap to groom flat like it should have been done in the first place. These runs are then advertised as "natural" snow trails.

Those "rutted runs" are the most fun on the mountain, as many would agree. And it's really only the mountains that brutally over groom that advertise trails as "natural". The mountains that realize the horrors of too much grooming don't need to advertise the fun stuff as "natural". They might as well (but don't) advertise the groomed stuff as "artificial" or "ruined" ;-)