So Sugarbush's snowmaking has been a perennial issue for a long time now. Obviously now five years out from being a passholder there my POV is from the 30,000 foot level, but back in 2009 and 2010 or so we had the same conversations--why aren't they moving faster? Why aren't they blowing when others are? Why do they have so many issues? And yeah, sure a few new HKDs here and there are nice, but what happened to being bullish and opening ASAP? Granted weather is an issue, but they would always find a way.
A few new HKDs here and there? I wouldn't consider over 500 new guns a few here and there. They can now max out on water using a fraction of the air that they used to use and air is not a limiting factor anymore. They've also been replacing pipe every year to enable them to get more water to different parts of the mountain instead of being forced to only max water when they spread it around to different areas. For example the new 10" pipe they put in on Spring Fling a couple years ago let's them completely light that trail up with nearly max water going to it from what I've heard.
What more do you think they should be doing to expand their snowmaking infrastructure? If the pond can be dug deeper, then that absolutely should be done. But that doesn't help get more water up the mountain, it only helps them avoid running out of water if the flow in the Mad River is low. To get more water up the mountain means completely replacing the pipe from the pond to the mountain with a larger diameter one. How expensive would that be to dig up and replace over 3 miles of pipe? Are there environmental restrictions that prevent them from drawing more water in the first place or is the pipe the only limiting factor?
Sugarbush has been open into the beginning of May 5 of the past 6 years. Has Stowe ever been open that late? Competing with K for early or late season is simply not financially responsible. K's snowmaking infrastructure was extremely built out many many years ago. Sugarbush will never get to that point nor would I expect them to. K has the late season market cornered and even if SB stayed open into June along with them you simply wouldn't see the people at SB. You're competing for a very limited number of people at that point and the demand simply doesn't warrant much more supply.It's clear that since shifting back to Lincoln Peak that weather impacts them more because it is lower elevation. It's also clear that since 2008 or so the focus has shifted to the four-season resort and making the whole thing better instead of focusing on skiing so much. I also know for a fact that they don't have the same caliber of mountain ops that they used to in the past.
And let's be real here: their competition and "perceived competition" (Stowe) is now WAY ahead of them in terms of snowmaking. At one time they would compete with Killington on early and late season. Now they want to compete with Stowe in price and "quality", but you can't compare their limping snowmaking system with Stowe's and it pains me to say that because I love Sugarbush. It seems that they are content with relying on natural snow, not having the biggest snowmaking system in the east, and hoping that they nail Christmas, MLK, and President's Week instead of extending the season.
I think that they just don't have the cash to replace their lifts and their snowmaking. They also are more risk averse when it comes to snowmaking--they don't want to lose the money when it all melts. That's fine and I think that a lot of passholders appreciate that steady hand at the wheel instead of the risk of bankruptcies and ownership turnovers. But when they want to talk about competing with Stowe and increasing their prices to more than everyone but Stowe it seems that the value is not wheat it used to be in terms of skiing.
They've done substantial lift work in the past few years. We have a new Valley House Quad. HG was pretty much completely rebuilt (from an electrical and mechanical perspective). NRX was completely overhauled. Numerous other lifts had significant amount of mechanical and electrical work done (well beyond normal maintenance). What lifts should they still be replacing? I think with all the recent work over the past few years most of them have quite a bit of life left and spending money to replace lifts for the sake of replacing lifts seems irresponsible.
As for snowmaking, I'll again ask exactly what you think they should do? Pretend they have unlimited money but don't pretend that we can ignore all the environmental or logistical restrictions. What would you envision happening in that scenario? Is there a location they could build a secondary pond closer to the mountain if they wanted to? Please don't take this challenge the wrong way. I'm legitimately interested in what you think can be done. I've seen very noticeable improvements the past few years. Some of those improvements are unfortunately being overshadowed by weather problems or unforeseen issues (such as whatever happened this past week that we are all still speculating about).
In terms of value I still think they offer a great deal. For season passes they are significantly cheaper than Stowe and early purchase pricing on passes was very comparable to K. For my particular age bracket they were actually well over 50% cheaper than K for a season pass (although that just started this year and I think you can thank Stowe for that one with the new pass they started).
And I love Sugarbush a lot. Look who started this thread. It was my home for many years. But I will confess that had we stayed in Vermont we might have considered other options because it just had changed.
I sometimes wonder if you hear more about SB's problems just because more people post about them here. I know there have been times Stowe has had lifts down based on what I saw on their snow report yet nothing was ever said about it here. For SB if a lift is down 5 minutes it seems that everyone here knows about (obviously a slight exaggeration...).