The "Sugarbush Thread"

[djd66]

does NH Bureau of Trails get 100% of its funding from ATV and SNOWMOBILE registrations ?

 

[Newpylong]

Motorized vs non motorized. 200 lbs vs 1k or more. 2 ft wide vs 4’. Speed potential of 25 vs 50.

Roads are designed for vehicles which far surpass all of the numbers above. I would not advocate for full road legal but they should be allowed on Class 6 roads statewide by law, and there's nothing wrong with towns allowing on others for connector purposes at limited speeds. It's only fair.

 

[Newpylong]

Register your S x S in Montana via an LLC, then you can ride the roads. It will be reclassified as a Quadracycle. Need DOT tires, turn signals and a horn. ATv's and sleds pay registration fees which supports NH Bureau of trails, walkers and bikes pay zero and get to use the trails. I am currently working adjacent to a rail trail, very busy but no one pays a dime excapt the sledders in the winter who also help maintain the trail as volenteers and pay for plowing for the parking area. NH needs to have a trail pass payment. User fundined state, I don't want to hear But I pay taxes bullshit!

You can do it here too with an Aggy plate if you've met all of the above criteria. But you best have a load of firewood if you get pulled over lol.

 

[bigbob]

You can do it here too with an Aggy plate if you've met all of the above criteria. But you best have a load of firewood if you get pulled over lol.

And with a Special Commercial plate, but it is frowned upon. They should not be allowed on interstate highways, turnpikes, or the NH Autobon, ie, Rt 101 between I 95 and Bedford. Other states are now registering ORV for road use with limitations. have you ever ridden in a Model T? A S x S is far safer and faster with better brakes!

 

[bigbob]

does NH Bureau of Trails get 100% of its funding from ATV and SNOWMOBILE registrations ?

Bureau of trails is under DCNR , so you would have to do some digging. BOT also administers grants from the feds which is from road taxes paidd for fuel used in off road vehicles. Rail trails are under state parks, which is also a part of DCNR.

 

[Hawk]

I thought about this some more. For me it boills down to this. However you feel about e-bikes is how you feel. It's your world and you can justify your expenditure and use however you want. Totally cool.

For me, going with an e-bike would be cheating on what riding a bike is all about. To me it would be a way around the hard training that is required to acutally ride the hills of VT. It would cheat me of the fitness that I really want and a admission of lazziness. None of the people I ride with have one and I am sure it would be greatly frowned upon also. So again, I am not ready to give up.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I thought about this some more. For me it boills down to this. However you feel about e-bikes is how you feel. It's your world and you can justify your expenditure and use however you want. Totally cool.

For me, going with an e-bike would be cheating on what riding a bike is all about. To me it would be a way around the hard training that is required to acutally ride the hills of VT. It would cheat me of the fitness that I really want and a admission of lazziness. None of the people I ride with have one and I am sure it would be greatly frowned upon also. So again, I am not ready to give up.

You captured exactly how I feel. Especially the bolded part. Its good to know that if I get to a point where I can't do it, then I have options. For now, I will pedal my way to the top.

 

[HowieT2]

I thought about this some more. For me it boills down to this. However you feel about e-bikes is how you feel. It's your world and you can justify your expenditure and use however you want. Totally cool.

For me, going with an e-bike would be cheating on what riding a bike is all about. To me it would be a way around the hard training that is required to acutally ride the hills of VT. It would cheat me of the fitness that I really want and a admission of lazziness. None of the people I ride with have one and I am sure it would be greatly frowned upon also. So again, I am not ready to give up.

I just got a new mtb, not an ebike, but the ebike would certainly come in handy in many situations, and I cast no shade on those riding them. I am not ashamed to admit that I walk up some uphill sections. I'm 55 and have no interest in killing myself to get uphill nor do I feel the need to prove anything to anyone. I ride for fun and to stay in shape, 'nothing more. That being said, my new bike is at least 5 pounds lighter than my old rig, and consequently much easier to ride uphill.

 

[NYDB]

......... I am not ashamed to admit that I walk up some uphill sections.................

that's mountain biking. A hike a bike once in a while keeps you honest and humble. It's more commonplace out west with the elevation and bigger climbs, but it is part of mountain biking for sure.

 

[Razor]

I thought about this some more. For me it boills down to this. However you feel about e-bikes is how you feel. It's your world and you can justify your expenditure and use however you want. Totally cool.

For me, going with an e-bike would be cheating on what riding a bike is all about. To me it would be a way around the hard training that is required to acutally ride the hills of VT. It would cheat me of the fitness that I really want and a admission of lazziness. None of the people I ride with have one and I am sure it would be greatly frowned upon also. So again, I am not ready to give up.

That's exactly how I felt until a couple of years ago. Made it to 73 before giving in. No regrets.

 

[Shredmonkey254]

That's exactly how I felt until a couple of years ago. Made it to 73 before giving in. No regrets.

I hit 60 when I decided to add the e-bike to the quiver. I don't view it as giving in or giving up, just adding another method of biking to activities I like to do. I now ride two different types of mountain bikes. I like that Hawk states that he is cheating himself. That's a healthy way of looking at this. Most people I have run into on the trail that have accused me of cheating, I feel they think that I'm cheating them, not myself, and they are the ones with anger in their voice. This I can not understand, but what Hawk says make sense! I will point out that if you ride your bike ( whether e or not ) as fast and as hard as you can, you are going to get a great work out so don't think e biking is a walk in the park (though maybe it is...) if you are pushing your limits, the beer afterwards is just as rewarding!

 

[Hawk]

Yes Beer at the end of the ride is is the Key to the equation. I will certainly agrre with that.

 

[Shredmonkey254]

I hit 60 when I decided to add the e-bike to the quiver. I don't view it as giving in or giving up, just adding another method of biking to activities I like to do. I now ride two different types of mountain bikes. I like that Hawk states that he is cheating himself. That's a healthy way of looking at this. Most people I have run into on the trail that have accused me of cheating, I feel they think that I'm cheating them, not myself, and they are the ones with anger in their voice. This I can not understand, but what Hawk says make sense! I will point out that if you ride your bike ( whether e or not ) as fast and as hard as you can, you are going to get a great work out so don't think e biking is a walk in the park (though maybe it is...) if you are pushing your limits, the beer afterwards is just as rewarding!

I ran into a group of 6 hardcore guys last night and one of them was on a gorgeous carbon Orbea e-bike. Turned out he has two acoustic bikes, the lightweight, lower powered Orbea and a full power, heavy Specialized Turbo Levo - he rides all four bikes and appreciates the differences between them all. It was great conversation and they invited me along on their gnarly loop too. Fun night!

 

[Hawk]

I rode the Middlesex Fells last night with my friends. It was 90 and humid. Total hammer fest on glacial rocky rooty trails. big fun. This weekend is 2 rides, 60+ on the road for PMC final prep. I think I am ready.

 

[Shredmonkey254]

I ran into a group of 6 hardcore guys last night and one of them was on a gorgeous carbon Orbea e-bike. Turned out he has two acoustic bikes, the lightweight, lower powered Orbea and a full power, heavy Specialized Turbo Levo - he rides all four bikes and appreciates the differences between them all. It was great conversation and they invited me along on their gnarly loop too. Fun night!

by the way - - - I got my new boots from Burton yesterday. Grabbed some ski socks, put them on and wore them a couple hours while working. Had personal computer streaming web cams from Portillo - there is snow and people are skiing - it almost felt like I was there!

 

[Hawk]

....and I thought I was addicted.

 

[Domeskier]

I had to look up what an “acoustic bike” is supposed to be. I was disappointed but not particularly surprised.

 

[Shredmonkey254]

I had to look up what an “acoustic bike” is supposed to be. I was disappointed but not particularly surprised.

Another way to think about it - Dylan went electric

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

I don't like the term "acoustic bike". I get the analogy to guitars and acknowledge the conceptual parallels between the "e" and non"e" types of each thing. But I just don't like the term "acoustic bike". There's nothing sonic or auditory about bikes (unless you want to consider freehub sounds)

 

[Smellytele]

I don't like the term "acoustic bike". I get the analogy to guitars and acknowledge the conceptual parallels between the "e" and non"e" types of each thing. But I just don't like the term "acoustic bike". There's nothing sonic or auditory about bikes (unless you want to consider freehub sounds)

Actually I had a bike that coming down Randolph gap got into a harmonic speed wobble. Also happened to the same bike on the Kanc.