This is going to get us coming and going

[Puck it]

http://www.bostonglobe.com/business...icity-rates/gVya8QtLFa4nCRJLmy0SIJ/story.html

This going to screw us and the resorts.

 

[jack97]

This going to screw us and the resorts.

We have a winner! But this will save us from the CO2 "pollution" as mandated by executive order.

 

[x10003q]

This is a bad job by ISO New England making sure the suppliers had enough natural gas before they switched. They are supposed to make sure this doesn't happen. There is a glut of natural gas in the US right now and prices have continued to fall in NY State while they rise in New England.

 

[steamboat1]

http://ens-newswire.com/2014/08/03/massachusetts-landowners-block-pipeline-surveyors/

 

[drjeff]

Yup, let's just put our proverbial heads in the sand and deny that natural gas, oil and nuclear power generation are the stalwarts of ample, cheap, clean power generation and job creation in favor of the NIMBY crowd!! Argh!! :smash:

 

[fbrissette]

Vermont relies almost entirely on nuclear and hydro power (long term contract with Quebec), so ski areas should see a smaller impact.

 

[Not Sure]

Yup, let's just put our proverbial heads in the sand and deny that natural gas, oil and nuclear power generation are the stalwarts of ample, cheap, clean power generation and job creation in favor of the NIMBY crowd!! Argh!! :smash:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpTIhyMa-Nw

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who was paying attention.
Clean air is a noble goal , but there should have been a reasonable phase in time.
The people who can least afford it are the ones paying the price.

 

[ss20]

Vermont relies almost entirely on nuclear and hydro power (long term contract with Quebec), so ski areas should see a smaller impact.

Right. Because VT wasn't affected at all last year (sarcasm)

 

[skiNEwhere]

It's stupid shit like this that's part of the reason I left Mass......Every state has some stupid politics in one form or the other, but MA was out of control.

"What do we want?"
-We don't know!
"When do we want it?"
-Now now now!

 

[Not Sure]

"What do we want?"
-We don't know!
"When do we want it?"
-Now now now![/QUOTE]

Great Quote !!!

 

[steamboat1]

Vermont relies almost entirely on nuclear and hydro power (long term contract with Quebec), so ski areas should see a smaller impact.

Hate to tell you but Vermont Yankee (nuclear power plant) is slated to close by the end of this year.

Furthermore this is a quote from last year by Jeff Temple, head of Mountain Operations at Killington, VT.:

"Also in January, energy prices skyrocketed to be consistently three to five times higher than normal. While many resorts gave up snowmaking, our energy management meetings intensified. To complicate this never before seen challenge, the inflated prices overflowed into “off peak” periods like nights and weekends, when it’s typically cheaper to make snow."

 

[BenedictGomez]

It's stupid shit like this that's part of the reason I left Mass......Every state has some stupid politics in one form or the other, but MA was out of control.

The remarkable thing about the idiocy of this, is that even if you do believe in man-made Global Warming, the net planetary effect from this would be about .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.

But they're going to do this nonsense anyway regardless of how much it hurts, because......well........far-left ideology.

And yes, as mentioned before in this thread it's the poor and the middle class that will be disproportionately HAMMERED by this, because energy is something everyone requires.

 

[yeggous]

Hate to tell you but Vermont Yankee (nuclear power plant) is slated to close by the end of this year.

Furthermore this is a quote from last year by Jeff Temple, head of Mountain Operations at Killington, VT.:

"Also in January, energy prices skyrocketed to be consistently three to five times higher than normal. While many resorts gave up snowmaking, our energy management meetings intensified. To complicate this never before seen challenge, the inflated prices overflowed into “off peak” periods like nights and weekends, when it’s typically cheaper to make snow."

Vermont does not exist in a bubble. ISO New England sets rates for all of New England. The spot electric rate in Vermont will vary just like Massachusetts or any of the other New England states.


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[drjeff]

Vermont does not exist in a bubble. ISO New England sets rates for all of New England. The spot electric rate in Vermont will vary just like Massachusetts or any of the other New England states.


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And unfortunately over the last decade or so, for various reasons, all too often with "climate change" or "green energy" cited, the New England ISO power generating grid has seen far more megawatts of generating capacity taken offline than come online! It takes a cr@upload of typically 1.5-2 megawatt wind turbines to be approved and built, often with plenty of NIMBY opposition to replace the typical 300-500 megawatt coal fired plant that gets closed all too often, let alone what VT Yankee can, and could with retrofit and upgrades, generate - Argh!!!

 

[bobbutts]

The remarkable thing about the idiocy of this, is that even if you do believe in man-made Global Warming, the net planetary effect from this would be about .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.

But they're going to do this nonsense anyway regardless of how much it hurts, because......well........far-left ideology.

And yes, as mentioned before in this thread it's the poor and the middle class that will be disproportionately HAMMERED by this, because energy is something everyone requires.

If we had listened to the far left in the 70's we'd have been running on a much higher percentage of consistently priced cleaner energy. Here you are 40 years later still kicking the can down the road. Your beloved party is far more guilty, yet once again you play the victim. Typical dishonest egomaniac Republican crybaby.

 

[BenedictGomez]

If we had listened to the far left in the 70's we'd have been running on a much higher percentage of consistently priced cleaner energy. Here you are 40 years later still kicking the can down the road. Your beloved party is far more guilty, yet once again you play the victim. Typical dishonest egomaniac Republican crybaby.

And be bankrupt.

Unfortunately, unicorn tears & magical fairy powder aren't forms of energy capable of powering a nation with a GDP in excess of $15 Trillion dollars. Typical uneducated liberal financial fantasy.

 

[Smellytele]

Just put on a sweater as Carter used to say.
Some one said on here that Vt wouldn't be hurt by this but next year when the Nuke plant shuts down they will be. NH relies on mostly coal and Nuke. We also have a few wood burning plants kicking around. We will still be screwed because most of our power is supplied by Northeast Utilities which supplies a lot of MA power.
Also for those who heat with natural gas how will it effect them?

 

[WoodCore]

Glad I switched to solar at my house!

 

[MadMadWorld]

It's stupid shit like this that's part of the reason I left Mass......Every state has some stupid politics in one form or the other, but MA was out of control.

"What do we want?"
-We don't know!
"When do we want it?"
-Now now now!

We're glad you left too

 

[MadMadWorld]

Glad I switched to solar at my house!

I would say 20% of the people on my street have solar and that's not an exaggeration