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Uninspired Ski Movies?

Are most major Ski Movie production outfits producing uninspired movies?


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riverc0il

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this is kinda gonna build off the recent topic on meatheads, but i definitely thought it deserved it's own thread. i recently acquired a netflix account and immediately took advantage of the stock of recent ski movies. most of the major production outfits including warren miller, tgr, and matchstick are available for the last few years on netflix. having viewed a few from each production outfit, i can honestly say i am usually bored during a good portion of each movie. or if not bored, at the least, uninspired.

the latest film i watched from tgr (further) was horrid in production, direction, and what lack of writing there could have possibly been. the film simply cut away from shots, cutting the music as well, when they reached the end of a scene. no transition attempted at all. for voice over, they dropped the music almost straight out, and the voice overs were just terrible. the soundtrack was obviously geared to appeal to the 'nu skool' free skiing generation of kids. i am actually down with some of that sound, especially the underground hip hop stuff... but it really doesn't fit well in a movie i think. two big mountain descets, then a jib scene, and be sure to highlight the fact that it's a first ascent, woo! :roll:

warren miller more than makes up for tgr's lack of production and direction insight; however, goes way over the top with commercialization of the entire movie process. ski scenes at resorts turn into a commercial (not surprising since it has been documented that WME goes to shoot at the location of the highest bidder...). have a fruit bar and drive our SUV and ski at these ski areas! alright! get bent! at least warren miller gives you some background on the skiers and shows ascents and hard ships of the journey, but then turns every scene into a "we ski for a living, this is the life, haha you suck!" type scene. get bent!

figure 11's, big mountain heli ski descents, huge hucks of cliffs, big air, jibbing, and getting air with more rotations than previous thought humanly possible. impressive for the first 15 minutes, but it gets old! let's see the human aspect, let's see the historical perspective, how about music that fits the scene? a little personality wouldn't hurt. and i think cutting back on a rotation or two so they could actually show most big airs stick a solid landing wouldn't hurt either. am i asking too much here?

to date, immersion (matchstick) has been one of the better ski movies i have seen to date. a ski movie who's director states straight out he is trying to make a more soulful ski movie. thank goodness! just a half dozen skiers doing their thing on their mountain and sharing their stories. capturing the spirit of those skiers and the sport in general. more than just a hour of straight eye candy and crapy production. needless to say, i am looking forward to epoch and will provide a full review upon my second viewing :D in the meantime, what are your thoughts about the current state of most ski and ride movies? do they capture anything for you or mearly eye candy to pass the summer months?
 

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riverc0il said:
figure 11's, big mountain heli ski descents, huge hucks of cliffs, big air, jibbing, and getting air with more rotations than previous thought humanly possible. impressive for the first 15 minutes, but it gets old! let's see the human aspect, let's see the historical perspective, how about music that fits the scene? a little personality wouldn't hurt. and i think cutting back on a rotation or two so they could actually show most big airs stick a solid landing wouldn't hurt either. am i asking too much here?

nice statement, i agree with that a 100% And the music has to fit the scene, if it doesnt it just ruins the mood.
I watched snowriders 2day by warren miller, i thought it was okay, i love his commentary and there random culture/ goofy scenes. One of them was of this guy in mass who got sick of buyin lift tickets so made his own rope town, it took him seven years to make! But the movie was older so the action was pretty lame, stop making jump turns and just go! But with a ski with 70mm underfoot i dont think i would go fast either :D

riverc0il said:
"we ski for a living, this is the life, haha you suck!" type scene. get bent!

or in some warren miller "i live in this shack with no running water, and work 18 hours a day in the summer so i can ski every day in the winter" ... I like that one more
 

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I totally agree. These big productions with their proven ski porn formula just aren't holding up anymore. I summed it up in the other thread this way:

The way it's usually done: Flash to an amazing couloir shot, skier ripping down it. End of scene, next impressive ski shot. Rinse and repeat.

The more captivating way: Down at the base you see a group of guys talking about the weather and discussing potential lines that they'll take. Everyone's nervous but psyched as well. Finally, the snows stable, the weathers right, and they head to the mountain. They begin the approach, climbing up the couloir, heading towards the top. They radio down from the summit and click in. Now we finally see that amazing couloir shot that I referenced the the "way its usually done" - only now, I'm immersed in the action, I feel the sense of accomplishment and how hard it was to pull it off, etc.
 

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I've really enjoyed the change of pace the Meatheads have brought. It just seems a little more real than just about everything else I've seen in the last several seasons.

The endless "Extreame" shots get a little numbing after a while. Maybe some others will get the idea.

Viva les tetes des Meat!
 

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thanks treeliner for piping in and putting those thoughts down in this thread. i completely agree with your thoughts. dan egan had a few vids on after wild world of winter a few years back that were adventure films showing a groups arrive, camp, and ascent of a mountain before any skiing took place. i really enjoyed his style of putting together a film. i haven't watch WWoW for a few years since ditching TV so i have no idea if they still do those segments.
 

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I don't think I've seen any TGR films and iirc the Matchstick film that I've seen was ok. I have a couple of WM films in my collection and I went to the showing of last years show. They are definately getting sickenly commercial, but I still find them to have at least some inspiring scenes that help me get through the non-skiing months. The fast-foward button is your friend. ;) I just ordered Epoch and Schooled from Meathead, I'm expecting to pleased with their offerings after reading nothing but good reviews here and on other skiing forums. Last year Volkl put out a movie which you could get for free that was pretty good, iirc.
 

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Stopped watching ski movies a while ago...

just like regular porn, it's alot more satisfying to actually ski than watch someone else.

The commercialization and unrealistically unending series of sick, exposed lines presented one after the other just got too silly after a while.
 

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Eh all I can say is I like Warren Miller films...its probably his commentating. I think he's funny.

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It's not the skiing....

....it's the story. And how well the story is told. Most current ski films have no story lines....therefore they're just a bunch of unrelated "chapter" that don't hold together for the viewer as a satisfying experience.

Story, IMHO, is key. Story well told is key-er. Story well told with drama....well, that's key-est.

I won't even go into things like successfully executing theme....having a clearly conveyed genre....and the mother of all drama.....a clearly defined premise.

Beginning.....middle....end. We have Aristotle to thank....and not much has changed in the last, oh, 2400 years....

Lots of the ski film makers, and Hollywood itself (amazingly), simply can't put these crucial building blocks first. With the ski films, it's mostly about being cool....and thinking that that can somehow carry the day instead of a "story well told". In Hollywood, its letting bean counters determine what films get made. I could go on and on and on.....but I shan't....
 

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I like my Warren Miller flicks...are they commercialized...maybe...but PBS has gotten worse...commercials on PBS...what a shame....

I got try out some of the other outfits....

Hey and some of the old mioller flicks are historical in nature...remember the day-glo neon fad (whoops....maybe you don't)...what a flash back....

Day Glo....Day Glo...so damn bright you should've left it at home.....
 

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Based on what’s available now I think Warren Miller movies (not really his company any more) have the most to offer. However I’m constantly disappointed by the lack of eastern skiing. I understand about the $50,000 locations fees and better weather conditions in the west etc., but how can you ignore the entire east coast. I’m sure that a substantial number of the 57million skier visits were this side of the Mississippi. I like seeing the big line on the big mountains, but lets be a little realistic once and a while. They use to do places like Sugerbush, Killington etc. has it gotten so commercial that 20+million skier visit and the mountains they skied on are of no value. :angry:
 

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Sparky said:
..However I’m constantly disappointed by the lack of eastern skiing. I understand about the $50,000 locations fees and better weather conditions in the west etc., but how can you ignore the entire east coast. :angry:

Have you checked out any of the Meathead films yet? There is another discussion about them here: Meathead Films. AFAIK they are completely shot on the east coast. I've just orded a couple of the DVDs so I haven't seen them yet, but I can't wait!
 

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bvibert said:
Sparky said:
..However I’m constantly disappointed by the lack of eastern skiing. I understand about the $50,000 locations fees and better weather conditions in the west etc., but how can you ignore the entire east coast. :angry:

Have you checked out any of the Meathead films yet? There is another discussion about them here: Meathead Films. AFAIK they are completely shot on the east coast. I've just orded a couple of the DVDs so I haven't seen them yet, but I can't wait!
I have Schooled and I'm waiting(still) for Epoch. I have seen some posts that say people have gottent their copies, I haven't yet and it was preordered in February.
I enjoyed Schooled and would like to find a copy of Elevated,but I understand they have run out. I hope they do another batch. Till then if anybody knows where I can get a copy I'd appreicate if you'd let me know.
 

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For me it may be a generation thing....I enjoy Greg Stump Ski Video's (I keep the Blizzard of Ahhh's & Dr Strange Glove right at the front of video library) as well as Warren Miller Video's...the combination of the outrageous cliff jumps and music that hurts my senses produced today just doesn't inspire me…
 

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Liked Stumpy's storytelling....

Charlie Schuessler said:
For me it may be a generation thing....I enjoy Greg Stump Ski Video's (I keep the Blizzard of Ahhh's & Dr Strange Glove right at the front of video library)…

...though the occassional misstep with filler like "Wheel of Destruction" sometimes sidelined the main journey....
 

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A bit of an aside here....

.....but I just checked out "Riding Giants" last night (bought for $5 bucks at a Blockbuster DVD sale) and it's just a fantastic sports movie. Three "chapters" chronicle the advances in the sport, and the lead persona of the era, culminating with a wave riden by Laird Hamilton in 2000 that redefined the limits of the sport.

An absolutely fascinating "docu-drama" format that worked superbly. I never knew much about surfing, but the way some of these guys dropped off wave crests....well, dress them in Gore-Tex and they may as well be dropping cornices at Squaw....
 
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