machski
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It has been regional, but an individual state may look if say an operator owned 4 of the top 6 resorts. Maybe Jay would make 4 of the top 7 in Vails case, not t sure how Smugg's fits in there
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Even if a state were to get into the antitrust enforcement game - it is mostly done by federal agencies - they would still have to prove that the state lines constituted the relevant market. And it is difficult to see any compelling argument that Jay and Snow compete in a single market that doesn't include places much closer to Jay outside VT (e.g., Whiteface, Balsams, Cannon).
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Wrong thread - delete
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Link?
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Crichton, Donnelly, Giorgio, and Harris Promoted by Vail Resorts
SAM Magazine—Broomfield, Colo., Oct. 20, 2021—Three Vail Resorts (VR) properties have new general managers, and the company’s Midwest region has a new vi
Thanks for the linkCrichton, Donnelly, Giorgio, and Harris Promoted by Vail Resorts
SAM Magazine—Broomfield, Colo., Oct. 20, 2021—Three Vail Resorts (VR) properties have new general managers, and the company’s Midwest region has a new viwww.saminfo.com
ScottySkis
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Who is Vail Resorts New CEO?
It came as a genuine surprise on August 10th when Vail Resorts CEO Rob Katz announced a new CEO will be taking his place on November 1st. His replacement
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Wow, Seems that Food & Bev. experience is now more important than "on snow" (Lift Ops, Patrol, Snow making, Grooming) experience as people used to come up thru the ranks.....Crichton, Donnelly, Giorgio, and Harris Promoted by Vail Resorts
SAM Magazine—Broomfield, Colo., Oct. 20, 2021—Three Vail Resorts (VR) properties have new general managers, and the company’s Midwest region has a new vi
drjeff
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I personally know the guy from Mount Snow who was promoted to the GM job at Mount Brighton, MI.
If one thinks that the head of a F&B operation at a ski resort is just about food and drink, then they're just not accurate in that perception.
More of the job is about managing and overseeing the staff and making sure that the ordering is up to date as well as any planning for events....
Many a GOOD ski area GM came from prior roles that weren't related to the direct snow surface and lift operations side of the industry
ss20
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F/B is sometimes the most complex department to run, depending on the resort. And unlike the other departments you mention...the F/B manager is supposed to make sure the department turns a profit unlike on-mountain stuff that just burn through cash.
ss20
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It's crazy how 50 years ago so many GM's were head patroller's or ski school director's....oh how times have changed!
FBGM
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Imagine going into the GM roll of the dumpster fire red headed step child of Vail eastern resorts - Wildcat. Good luck dude.
Smellytele
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Attitash would be worse
I've been involved since the 80's, primarily at 4 resorts...
Trained and worked w/ many as they climbed the ladder. (Chip Seamens, JD Devivo, Brian Jones, Jim Bilotta, , and Brian Heon) Those guys all earned their stripes....
Call me old school, but I am not sure I really want a F&B manager making decisions about Snowmaking, Grooming, Lift Maintenance, Mountain Ops.
And definitely not when it comes to Patrol oversight and making medical calls on trauma pts. Calling for LifeFlight or DART has to come from the resort's GM in ME & NH
YES, Good Luck to both of them. They've got a huge pile to clean up.
Trained and worked w/ many as they climbed the ladder. (Chip Seamens, JD Devivo, Brian Jones, Jim Bilotta, , and Brian Heon) Those guys all earned their stripes....
Call me old school, but I am not sure I really want a F&B manager making decisions about Snowmaking, Grooming, Lift Maintenance, Mountain Ops.
And definitely not when it comes to Patrol oversight and making medical calls on trauma pts. Calling for LifeFlight or DART has to come from the resort's GM in ME & NH
YES, Good Luck to both of them. They've got a huge pile to clean up.
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jimmywilson69
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A good manager listens to his department leads and makes decisions based on their input regardless of industry
Smellytele
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Do you want someone who was responsible for snowmaking, grooming and lift maintenance making medical calls on trauma?
It's all about putting the right dept heads in place and listening to them. Maybe f&b is popular because the threshold of shitshow is high up? You do get real good at the procurement and office side of things that's foe sure and you get real fucking good at multitasking.
As someone who served as assistant director of F&B at two resorts and had a stint as acting director at one of them, I don't think that division is the best track for ski resort GMs. Unless those mountains have stellar mountain ops department heads, which is certainly no longer the case at Wildcat unless they have hired someone great since last season.
Hopefully they work out
Hopefully they work out
OK maybe not the best example...
In terms of Mt Ops, We'll make the Med decisions.
I'm sorry, maybe it's me. But putting the F&B manager in charge of the whole resort is stupid.
Then again, both WC and ATrash had every other supervisor/manager leave this summer. So they were probably the only ones left.
They certainly didn't advertise and many w/ any type of ski resort experience have already eliminated working for Vail, at least in NH
We'll see... At least the food at Atrash has to improve. It was god awful the last 2-3 years.
WC food is simpler and OK. Not great, but good Burger w/ fries or Bfast bacon,egg&cheese.
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