VAIL SUCKS

[eatskisleep]

Agree 100%
You and I have probably ridden the quad together and skied the brook in my 25 years at The Cat

Vail doesn't care one bit.
The offer this summer was fair.
But no one wants to buy both At/WC.
The locals stood up to try to rescue Wildcat.
Vail will do nothing.....

Did a private group try to buy back the Cat? If so, that’s awesome. Don’t give up! Eventually Vail’s bubble will burst and they will need to sell.

 

[Mainer]

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results”

 

[2Planker]

Only a few cars in the lot at WC....
Looks like employees only.

Makes sense, No new trails or lifts in over 10 days.....
HS has moved to race training at "other facilities"

 

[deadheadskier]

What's was Vails reason for not selling? They have to have a price. Everyone does

 

[Kingslug20]

I can't believe how they fucked this up..its really sad. Maybe their going to use it as a write off?

 

[IceEidolon]

There's a long history of operations being trashed on the way out by operators with other regional interests who don't want competition, or just straight up shut down. Magic, Haystack, Tenney, not sure if Timberline was trashed on purpose or if it was just that bad, a bunch of Midwest hills that get into two or three mountain alliances that later shrink...

 

[icecoast1]

What's was Vails reason for not selling? They have to have a price. Everyone does

The hit to the stock would probably be more than the $ they'd generate from the sale. As long as they keep raking in money hand over feet, they have no reason to sell, unfortunately for us. As long as they're making that almighty dollar, their egos will keep convincing them they're invincible

 

[deadheadskier]

The hit to the stock would probably be more than the $ they'd generate from the sale. As long as they keep raking in money hand over feet, they have no reason to sell, unfortunately for us. As long as they're making that almighty dollar, their egos will keep convincing them they're invincible

Not if the offer is high enough. I don't think Vail has to hold onto every business they buy. Plenty of corporations sell off underperforming business segments and the result is improved stock performance.

 

[drjeff]

If they decide to sell any areas, my hunch is, so as not to potentially breach any implied contract that they have with their passholders and have to take an option away, that it won't be announced until late in the ski season, shortly before next seasons Epic passes go on sale. You give a passholder more option once they've purchased a pass and that's not going to cause any issues. You take an option(s) away once they purchased a pass (even if some of those who might complain never likely intended to go there) and that has the potential to create more problems than just the sale itself could

 

[machski]

I highly doubt crotched gets open before Xmas. For vail this has to be convenient.

Regardless of that, McIntyre opens this Friday!! If Crotched gets beat by McIntyre, that is just plain flat pathetic.

 

[snoseek]

My very loose theory is that vail attempts to have something gnarly and rustic in each region on their pass as to attract that crowd who also are the same crowd that generate buzz. In nh wildcat is really the only one on the table so while they took it as part of the peak sale they probably aim to keep it to sell passes. They probably don't put a whole lot of thought into it.

Kirkwood and wildcat are similar in this fashion imo. Ten years in and besides the whole grid hook up(this was actually a big deal) kirkwood is the same as it ever was which sounds cool but the place needs some $$$$ sunk into it badly. It's also ashamed how they shut it with usually the deepest base of the year.

The wildcat thing is on another level though. Somebody earlier mentioned something about how they could potentially be.labeled bad stewards and.be replaced. How bad would it have to be? Is it really possible? Let the state run it till a suitable buyer come along. Better yet let the state run it.

 

[Smellytele]

My very loose theory is that vail attempts to have something gnarly and rustic in each region on their pass as to attract that crowd who also are the same crowd that generate buzz. In nh wildcat is really the only one on the table so while they took it as part of the peak sale they probably aim to keep it to sell passes. They probably don't put a whole lot of thought into it.

Kirkwood and wildcat are similar in this fashion imo. Ten years in and besides the whole grid hook up(this was actually a big deal) kirkwood is the same as it ever was which sounds cool but the place needs some $$$$ sunk into it badly. It's also ashamed how they shut it with usually the deepest base of the year.

The wildcat thing is on another level though. Somebody earlier mentioned something about how they could potentially be.labeled bad stewards and.be replaced. How bad would it have to be? Is it really possible? Let the state run it till a suitable buyer come along. Better yet let the state run it.

Cannon /wildcat pass? I’m in

 

[drjeff]

My very loose theory is that vail attempts to have something gnarly and rustic in each region on their pass as to attract that crowd who also are the same crowd that generate buzz. In nh wildcat is really the only one on the table so while they took it as part of the peak sale they probably aim to keep it to sell passes. They probably don't put a whole lot of thought into it.

Kirkwood and wildcat are similar in this fashion imo. Ten years in and besides the whole grid hook up(this was actually a big deal) kirkwood is the same as it ever was which sounds cool but the place needs some $$$$ sunk into it badly. It's also ashamed how they shut it with usually the deepest base of the year.

The wildcat thing is on another level though. Somebody earlier mentioned something about how they could potentially be.labeled bad stewards and.be replaced. How bad would it have to be? Is it really possible? Let the state run it till a suitable buyer come along. Better yet let the state run it.

And on the opposite side of that, I am guessing, and I am sure that many AZ'ers would agree, that there are plenty of extreme environmentalists who have the feeling that doing basically ANYTHING to forests is a bad thing, and will take that to court. Just look at ski areas like Wachusett and a bunch of others when they want to do some expansion and the environmental legal hurdles that they have to deal with, and even with Kirkwood in the bigger CA land/forestry management concept, short of some radical environmentalists, are there many out there who don't think that the in essence do nothing policy that CA has taken to land management the last decade or so hasn't made their wildfire situations worse than they could of been had some basic land maintenance clearing of dead trees and underbrush been done?

There seems to be a bunch of factors going here, and not all are likely just an operations thing or a staffing thing. And we all need some good cold weather and a series of good snow storms soon!

 

[ThatGuy]

Cannon /wildcat pass? I’m in

That would be a better pass than NYSki3

 

[eatskisleep]

Cannon /wildcat pass? I’m in

I can’t think of a pass I would be happier to purchase.

 

[deadheadskier]

And on the opposite side of that, I am guessing, and I am sure that many AZ'ers would agree, that there are plenty of extreme environmentalists who have the feeling that doing basically ANYTHING to forests is a bad thing, and will take that to court. Just look at ski areas like Wachusett and a bunch of others when they want to do some expansion and the environmental legal hurdles that they have to deal with, and even with Kirkwood in the bigger CA land/forestry management concept, short of some radical environmentalists, are there many out there who don't think that the in essence do nothing policy that CA has taken to land management the last decade or so hasn't made their wildfire situations worse than they could of been had some basic land maintenance clearing of dead trees and underbrush been done?

There seems to be a bunch of factors going here, and not all are likely just an operations thing or a staffing thing. And we all need some good cold weather and a series of good snow storms soon!

Nobody is talking about anyone cutting even a tree branch at Wildcat. I mean I've mentioned a wish list of mountain maintained upper mountain glades, but that's the furthest thing from any Cat skiers mind right now.

All people want is for Vail to offer more than dog shit wages such that they can staff their operation to the same level as the competition. Then when you have those employees, use them like the competition does to you know, turn on a snow gun even when it's not 15 degrees and 0% humidity or take 3 minutes to write a paragraph on the god damn snow report each morning.

Take off your rose colored glasses Jeff. There is ZERO excuse for the bullshit going on in NH these days. It's 100% corporate greed and incompetence. It's December 15th and Vail basically has 8 trails open in the entire state.

 

[Vince]

Skied Okemo Tues afternoon and Weds morning. Not much base but good surface conditions as the scrape softened up both days with sunny and high 30's. They say 30 trails I would call it 7 or 8. Gonna be demolition derby over the holidays if they don't get snow.

The one day I went to Wildcat last year. They did not open till 11AM. Said they had grooming problems and their policy was to not open until every groomer was off the mountain. Vail Sucks I hate Comcast and Ticketmaster more but not by much.

Interesting numbers crunching on Vail done on a website called Seeling Alpha. Can't find the link but it was early December just before earnings came out

 

[eatskisleep]

 

[ss20]

Vail is in deep shit as there's essentially no snow coming to their CO resorts between now and Christmas. Breck has 25 trails open. It's very possible with the frigid temps coming in the NE their eastern resorts could have more terrain open than their western resorts come the start of the holiday week.

 

[eatskisleep]

Vail is in deep shit as there's essentially no snow coming to their CO resorts between now and Christmas. Breck has 25 trails open. It's very possible with the frigid temps coming in the NE their eastern resorts **with the exception of Wildcat and Attitash** could have more terrain open than their western resorts come the start of the holiday week.

FTFY