VAIL SUCKS

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

I think they are done in nh, For the most part, how many resorts can you own in a single state before the doj gets involved? I could see their interest in Breton woods or Waterville valley, but if they buy one of them do they have to sell one they already own?

I can't see Vail buying both Bretton Woods ski resort and the Mt Washington Hotel as BW's business depends on selling BW club memberships which are part of the hotel property golf course etc.

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

That entire Mount Washington Resort, from Bretton Woods to the Resort Hotel to the Golf Course and surrounding network of year round, mutli-sport trails, is a solid year round operation that Omni has spent a bunch of $$ upgrading since they bought it

Switched from SR in Maine to Bretton Woods in NH this year. I am shocked at how nice BW and the MWV area is compared to SR and Western Maine. SR has gotten overcrowded with the pandering to the millennials selling them half price passes. Add in all the IKON passholders crowding up the weekends and it starts to feel like KMart in VT.

 

[2Planker]

Disagree. The triple should be the last terrain to open not first, 20 mins on the triple is not worth it for groomers. I would go illusion, learning center, morning star, tie the yankee in, the rest of bear, then the top half of attitash.

Switched from SR in Maine to Bretton Woods in NH this year. I am shocked at how nice BW and the MWV area is compared to SR and Western Maine. SR has gotten overcrowded with the pandering to the millennials selling them half price passes. Add in all the IKON passholders crowding up the weekends and it starts to feel like KMart in VT.

Shhhh...... Don't tell everyone. Spent 20+ years in Bethel, no complaints. We don't need much.. BUT, having been in the MWV for the last 10. I have to say, it does have way more to offer. Love our Chamber of Commecre Pass

 

[Geoff]

Carinthia base lodge can literally have you parking right at the snow, maybe 100 feet from the lift, and that lot, up until next Saturday, is still free parking.

Honestly they made a TON of snow, and it faired better than I was expecting through this weekend. I skied Mount Snow yesterday morning and then at Wachusett last night with my kids high-school ski team, and the difference in both quantity and quality of the snow was night and day with Mount Snow having much better base depths and trail width than Wachusett did, even though both mountains are known to be aggressive with their snowmaking. Mount Snow has trails that are consistently 2/3rds to 3/4ths width covered with a few feet of snow that mountain ops did a good job grooming out post freeze up (even yesterday morning) whereas Wachusett was generally 1 to maybe 3 groomer width wide trails down to what is now a bulletproof base of generally what looked to be a foot or less.

If you're looking to get some early season laps on the legs on some groomers tomorrow your Epic Pass at Mount Snow will likely get you what your looking for with some decent snow conditions all things considered right now

So the Corinthia parking lot is deserted at 8:30.

 

[snoseek]

I highly doubt crotched gets open before Xmas. For vail this has to be convenient.

 

[RichT]

So the Corinthia parking lot is deserted at 8:30.

Soooooooooo how was it?

 

[2Planker]

EPIC VAIL FAIL
The Attitash & Wildcat Lift & Trail Report SUCKS BIGTIME !!!!!!!!!
Everyday same thing, Doesn't even look updated since no new trails or lifts are open.

What ever happened to a 1 paragraph update on what got snow/groomed or is skiing well.
A 5yo could do it, but it is obviously above the capability of anyone at WC or Attitash

On the Upside - BW skied great this morning

 

[Geoff]

Soooooooooo how was it?

Machine groomed hardpack. Competent job with the tiller. I didn’t encounter golf balls. It’s flat enough and light enough traffic that I didn’t hit any sheet ice. I skied a couple hours and left.

 

[eatskisleep]

EPIC VAIL FAIL
The Attitash & Wildcat Lift & Trail Report SUCKS BIGTIME !!!!!!!!!
Everyday same thing, Doesn't even look updated since no new trails or lifts are open.

What ever happened to a 1 paragraph update on what got snow/groomed or is skiing well.
A 5yo could do it, but it is obviously above the capability of anyone at WC or Attitash

On the Upside - BW skied great this morning

I miss Nate W’s snow reports. They were great.

 

[2Planker]

Yes,, His were good. All you needed to know in a paragraph.

I know he was fed up w/ the BS last year...

 

[RichT]

EPIC VAIL FAIL
The Attitash & Wildcat Lift & Trail Report SUCKS BIGTIME !!!!!!!!!
Everyday same thing, Doesn't even look updated since no new trails or lifts are open.

What ever happened to a 1 paragraph update on what got snow/groomed or is skiing well.
A 5yo could do it, but it is obviously above the capability of anyone at WC or Attitash

On the Upside - BW skied great this morning

Hunter's the same way! Vail truly sucks

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

On the Upside - BW skied great this morning

The White Mountain Super Pass is pricey but you get what you pay for. All 4 open.

 

[kendo]

Hunter's the same way! Vail truly sucks

Agree Hunter's sucks but thinking it's a Hunter and Wildcat / Attitash problem vrs Vail.

Stowe had been including a daily traditional report on their website Snow & Weather page. Have to think it's done by someone on the local Stowe staff.

Stowe Mountain Weather Report | Stowe

Get the latest Snow and Weather Report from Stowe.

www.stowe.com

 

[MadKitty]

The state of skiing in the MWV is bad. I am a longtime wildcat pass holder and I feel tied to the mtn. For those who haven't been imagine NH mad river glen. Engaging top to bottom skiing for 2k vert. If you know the off-map runs the terrain gets as gnarly as you want. You're staring at gos/tuckerman/huntington ravine whenever the sun comes out. SUPER strong community of locals. You see the same faces over and over. The locals rip. The seasonal programs put out packs of shredders. Wildcat is everything that is right with skiing. Unfortunately it is being killed by vail. The season passholders are giving up and moving on to other mtns. Fuck Vail.

 

[2Planker]

The state of skiing in the MWV is bad. I am a longtime wildcat pass holder and I feel tied to the mtn. For those who haven't been imagine NH mad river glen. Engaging top to bottom skiing for 2k vert. If you know the off-map runs the terrain gets as gnarly as you want. You're staring at gos/tuckerman/huntington ravine whenever the sun comes out. SUPER strong community of locals. You see the same faces over and over. The locals rip. The seasonal programs put out packs of shredders. Wildcat is everything that is right with skiing. Unfortunately it is being killed by vail. The season passholders are giving up and moving on to other mtns. Fuck Vail.

Agree 100%
You and I have probably ridden the quad together and skied the brook in my 25 years at The Cat

Vail doesn't care one bit.
The offer this summer was fair.
But no one wants to buy both At/WC.
The locals stood up to try to rescue Wildcat.
Vail will do nothing.....

 

[deadheadskier]

The state of skiing in the MWV is bad. I am a longtime wildcat pass holder and I feel tied to the mtn. For those who haven't been imagine NH mad river glen. Engaging top to bottom skiing for 2k vert. If you know the off-map runs the terrain gets as gnarly as you want. You're staring at gos/tuckerman/huntington ravine whenever the sun comes out. SUPER strong community of locals. You see the same faces over and over. The locals rip. The seasonal programs put out packs of shredders. Wildcat is everything that is right with skiing. Unfortunately it is being killed by vail. The season passholders are giving up and moving on to other mtns. Fuck Vail.

From a terrain perspective, I'd say Smuggs is maybe the best comparison to Wildcat just due to the fact that Smuggs makes snow and grooms half their terrain in a similar fashion to Wildcat. MRG doesn't do that. But otherwise MRG is a good comparison for Wildcat, especially the Vibe. Where Wildcat excels over both is the Quad. You can get more skiing in at Cat on a Saturday by 11AM than a full day at MRG or Smuggs.

It is both sad and infuriating to watch Vail not care at all about the place. Thought I'd call the place home for as long as I live in New Hampshire. I'd love for Rob Katz to read this thread and defend their performance since taking over.

I mean I was at the bar at Pats Peak tonight for a night racing kickoff event. 33 degrees in the parking lot when I left and they had the fan guns flipped on. It wouldn't surprise me if Vail doesn't have a snow gun going in the entire state.

 

[deadheadskier]

Agree 100%
You and I have probably ridden the quad together and skied the brook in my 25 years at The Cat

Vail doesn't care one bit.
The offer this summer was fair.
But no one wants to buy both At/WC.
The locals stood up to try to rescue Wildcat.
Vail will do nothing.....

What was the offer? $10M?

 

[chuckstah]

From a terrain perspective, I'd say Smuggs is maybe the best comparison to Wildcat just due to the fact that Smuggs makes snow and grooms half their terrain in a similar fashion to Wildcat. MRG doesn't do that. But otherwise MRG is a good comparison for Wildcat, especially the Vibe. Where Wildcat excels over both is the Quad. You can get more skiing in at Cat on a Saturday by 11AM than a full day at MRG or Smuggs.

It is both sad and infuriating to watch Vail not care at all about the place. Thought I'd call the place home for as long as I live in New Hampshire. I'd love for Rob Katz to read this thread and defend their performance since taking over.

I mean I was at the bar at Pats Peak tonight for a night racing kickoff event. 33 degrees in the parking lot when I left and they had the fan guns flipped on. It wouldn't surprise me if Vail doesn't have a snow gun going in the entire state.

Amazingly, they are blowing snow on Polecat, presumably from Tomcat down. Maybe there will be 2 half runs open for the holidays. Epic.

 

[deadheadskier]

That surprises me. They better hope mother nature helps out big time

 

[snoseek]

So is the top snowmaking really screwed? Like is it fixable or are we just gonna have to rely on natural all season up there? If so it will be a short season for the quad which is tragic. I wont make that drive to lap tomcat no way