VAIL SUCKS

[Kingslug20]

Plumett baby...plumett.....

 

[drjeff]

Vail Resorts announced today the equivalent of a $2 an hour raise for all non salaried employees for all hours worked from January 1st through April 15th or whenever that employees job ends for the season. Will be paid out as a lump sum in May

 

[deadheadskier]

With the temps and wind tomorrow the margin for error if something goes wrong, even for an experienced crew, is minimal, and less if you have an inexperienced ladened crew. Last thing any mountain wants to happen is for something to go wrong in extreme cold and end up freezing up a feeder line.

There certainly are many operational decisions you can fault Vail for this season, however sometimes, and this may be one of those times, just because you don't agree with their decision, doesn't mean it's the wrong decision

True, true

I guess ALL of the competition that were expanding and / or resurfacing snowmaking terrain today are a bunch of damned fools.

Carry on folks

Be nice to Vail please

 

[2Planker]

Vail Resorts announced today the equivalent of a $2 an hour raise for all non salaried employees for all hours worked from January 1st through April 15th or whenever that employees job ends for the season. Will be paid out as a lump sum in May

So that means they only get the raise if they finish out the season......
Kind of a lame way to lock people in, wouldn't you think..??

 

[snoseek]

So that means they only get the raise if they finish out the season......
Kind of a lame way to lock people in, wouldn't you think..??

Honestly ive worked for resorts that did this sort of thing and it was pretty cool as nobody was any good at saving and this got them through the shoulder. It also motivated them to finish it out, which always seems to be an issue

 

[deadheadskier]

So that means they only get the raise if they finish out the season......
Kind of a lame way to lock people in, wouldn't you think..??

What's wrong with?

McDonald's: We are going to pay you $15 an hour. Please just show up to work

Vs

Burger King: We are going to pay you $13 an hour. If you show us that you will show up for work for 3 months we will backfill your pay with a $2 an hour bonus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!!!

Hmmmmm........

Bold strategy. Let's see if there's an appreciable uptick in employment 30% of the way into a seasonal job in locations with no affordable housing and the people there likely have more secure employment already.

 

[ss20]

So that means they only get the raise if they finish out the season......
Kind of a lame way to lock people in, wouldn't you think..??

No. It is absolutely necessary in this industry lol. Burn/drop rate is a standard discussion. When I was making decisions (thank God those days are over lol) we figured 2-3 would drop over the course of the season out of 60 people. I distinctly remember early on in my instructing career we got a new boss and after a week one guy was cleaning out his locker as I was coming into work. Conversation was literally "what are you up to?" "I quit with xxxxxx in charge now" "Ok have a nice one" "thanks you too!".

As @snoseek says it's a nice bonus to get through the spring til people get their summer gigs going.

 

[deadheadskier]

Honestly ive worked for resorts that did this sort of thing and it was pretty cool as nobody was any good at saving and this got them through the shoulder. It also motivated them to finish it out, which always seems to be an issue

Right. Me too. It was awesome for me at more financially irresponsible times of my life working resorts and partying like crazy.

But it was a start of the season offer to attract better people from the start. Not an end of the season add on to prevent the plane from crashing into the mountain

 

[MadPadraic]

So that means they only get the raise if they finish out the season......
Kind of a lame way to lock people in, wouldn't you think..??

Seems a lot like annual bonuses in the corporate world. At least this pays out right at the end of the season instead of having to wait for some arbitrary period.

 

[pinion]

...to prevent the plane from crashing into the mountain

Careful there. Given all the mishaps at ski areas in the past few weeks I think "plane crashing into mountain" would be next on the list

 

[thetrailboss]

PCMR ski patrol union members vote to authorize a work stoppage.

Park City ski patrol union overwhelmingly votes to authorize a strike if negotiations fail with Vail Resorts

After a year and a half of stalled contract negotiations between Vail Resorts and the Park City ski patrol union, the Utah ski patrollers have authorized a strike in a near-unanimous vote.

www.sltrib.com

The two parties have been in negotiations since August 2020. Ski patrollers currently start at $13.25 per hour, making them the lowest-paid Vail Resorts employees in all of Park City.

 

[thetrailboss]

Careful there. Given all the mishaps at ski areas in the past few weeks I think "plane crashing into mountain" would be next on the list

Been there. Done that.

That happened in Italy back in the late 1990’s. U.S. military accident.

 

[thetrailboss]

Vail Resorts announced today the equivalent of a $2 an hour raise for all non salaried employees for all hours worked from January 1st through April 15th or whenever that employees job ends for the season. Will be paid out as a lump sum in May

Too little. Too late. Damage done.

 

[cdskier]

PCMR ski patrol union members vote to authorize a work stoppage.

Park City ski patrol union overwhelmingly votes to authorize a strike if negotiations fail with Vail Resorts

After a year and a half of stalled contract negotiations between Vail Resorts and the Park City ski patrol union, the Utah ski patrollers have authorized a strike in a near-unanimous vote.

www.sltrib.com

It boggles my mind that ski patrollers are the lowest paid Vail workers at Park City. That's insane.

 

[MadPadraic]

Been there. Done that.

That happened in Italy back in the late 1990’s. U.S. military accident.

Also to Magic (twice if you count a mid air collision)

 

[thetrailboss]

Also to Magic (twice if you count a mid air collision)

Yikes. Really? Details?

 

[cdskier]

Yikes. Really? Details?

Magic Mountain Ski Area History - Vermont - NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

newenglandskihistory.com

Actually 3 times if you include the helicopter crash during the lift install in 62

Magic Mountain finally started to live up to its potential when the $300,000 Pohlig double chairlift was installed for 1962-63, opening the Upper Mountain. In addition to the new lift and trails, the main lodge was expanded and a new parking lot constructed.

The lift installation was reportedly the first to use a helicopter for the pouring of concrete. With Sikorksy Aircraft officials on site to record the event on September 13, the helicopter reportedly suffered a mechanical issue and came crashing down onto the lift line. Though the helicopter was destroyed by fire, pilot Frank Minjoy survived. Construction resumed days later using another helicopter.

On the evening of February 22, 1973, a Cessna 310 crashed into Magic Mountain, killing both on board. Peter Thorner was later awarded a Gold and Green Merit Star by the National Ski Patrol for assisting in the search and rescue mission. Two years later, on the night of February 3, 1975, two Air Force F-111 bombers collided near the mountain. The four crew members ejected, landing unharmed on the upper slopes of Magic Mountain.

 

[thetrailboss]

Magic Mountain Ski Area History - Vermont - NewEnglandSkiHistory.com

newenglandskihistory.com

Actually 3 times if you include the helicopter crash during the lift install in 62

Wow that is bad luck. And looks like four incidents involving five aircraft!

On September 13, 1962, Magic was hitting its stride and expanding with the addition of what today is referred to as the Black Chair. While pouring concrete for the lift’s foundation, pilot Frank Minjoy lost control of his Sikorsky S-58 Helicopter and crashed into the side of the mountain. Amazingly, Mr. Minjoy survived the accident.

Eleven years later, on February 22, 1973, Dan Delp was piloting his Cessna 310 when he got disorientated in the fog and crashed into Magic. The first people on the scene were Magic Mountain patrollers. Unfortunately, the pilot and his passenger were both killed.

On February 3, 1975, just shy of three years after the Cessna 310 crash, two General Dynamics FB-111 Aardvark fighter jets were engaging in refueling exercises over Londonderry, Vermont. The aircraft were practicing hooking up to a KC-135 tanker when the two fighters collided at 20,000 feet. Both crews safely ejected and landed 200 feet from Magic’s summit.

After the excitement of the 1970s, Magic went without an aircraft crash for 28 years. This streak was broken in 2003 when James Smith failed to maintain altitude in his Cessna C-150M. He crashed above the trail “Wizard”, only 100 feet below the summit of Magic Mountain. Mr. Smith was discovered by a hiker, who was able to contact authorities for assistance. Mr. Smith suffered head injuries but survived!

Airplanes Crash Into Ski Resorts More Than You Might Think

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaGmUhVF2lM BY, ANDY JAMESON We all know mountains are dangerous. Avalanches, cliffs, and cold weather are just a few of

unofficialnetworks.com

 

[urungus]

Yikes. Really? Details?

Apparently there have been FOUR crashes at Magic, involving 5 aircraft … https://unofficialnetworks.com/2017/01/17/airplanes-crash-ski-resorts/

 

[MadPadraic]

One of the French resorts (Courchevel I think) has a famously difficult approach to its mid-mountain airport.