VAIL SUCKS

[KustyTheKlown]

That's the disconnect.

Vail put efforts into SOME of the mountains. So if yours is one of them, you should be happy.

But those efforts are at the expense of other mountains which didn't even open full week! Or only had 1 or 2 trails from top to bottom through MLK weekend!

It's a world of haves and have nots! Sure, it's hard for the haves to understand the complains of the have nots.

You're neglecting the fact that other mountains in the same vicinity were doing considerably better than Vail owned properties. When there's no comparison, anything can be "acceptable" given the environmental issue. But when one business is doing far better than another, anyone have an once of intelligent can tell the excuses wears thin.


If the complaints are legitimate, that's what matters.

As for the pile on, it only means there're many affected.

Last but not least, Alpinezone isn't representative of the average skiing demographic. So no need to get upset about the piling on. That said, I found it interesting the various links to other media sources.

a stowe homer shouldnt even be happy with this situation unless they are one of the lucky or retired people who can ski weekdays. if i was a long time stowe homeowner who used my place on the weekends and holidays, because my family needs to work and be in school during the week, i would be furious that my home mountain that used to be a truly premium product is now fuckin bargain bin. traffic down 108 to 100 on Saturday mornings. fuck that shit.

 

[Mainer]

Skied attitash, black, Shawnee the last couple days. Black is normal, Shawnee is normal. Attitash sucks. It never had a great vibe, now it’s downright depressing. Skied with a family there on Saturday, tried to talk them out of it. I explained there is no beginner terrain for them, their dad pulls out the trail report and shows me the green circles. I explain there is no way to get to them without skiing a icy crowded blue, he doesn’t believe me. His wife takes one run, his kids are having meltdowns. They need to run the doubles or Abenaki or kachina. Park placement is terrible. Have to ski a black to get to park. 3 separate security guards checking vax cards, not enough staff to run lifts. They did have bunch of ungroomed terrain which was nice. Such a crappy experience.

 

[2Planker]

Skied attitash, black, Shawnee the last couple days. Black is normal, Shawnee is normal. Attitash sucks. It never had a great vibe, now it’s downright depressing. Skied with a family there on Saturday, tried to talk them out of it. I explained there is no beginner terrain for them, their dad pulls out the trail report and shows me the green circles. I explain there is no way to get to them without skiing a icy crowded blue, he doesn’t believe me. His wife takes one run, his kids are having meltdowns. They need to run the doubles or Abenaki or kachina. Park placement is terrible. Have to ski a black to get to park. 3 separate security guards checking vax cards, not enough staff to run lifts. They did have bunch of ungroomed terrain which was nice. Such a crappy experience.

Same story here. We had long time friends staying at the Attitash Grand Summit (Mistake #1).
These guys are 3rd generation Ski Family. Owned houses in ME and VT

We recc'd to head to BW, but they said no we'll try it here.
From what we heard. 2 runs for Mom & 2 kids, 3 for Dad
Dad even went to Guest Services to complain.... No help from them at all
Over $1,000 spent.....

They will NEVER EVER go back....

 

[Hawk]

They have less patrollers...only thing i can think of why they are closing areas.
Less groomers..
Less snow makers.
Seems like no one wants to work for them..i wouldnt.
I might try out for a part time teaching job...with SB next season..not..vail.
They have to get their act together..and they have the money to do it.
I used to work for one of the most high end real estate management companies in the world..we spent a fortune on our employees with training..tools..etc.
My building won building of the year..we made it perfect..
I quit my last job because it was the opposite..i lost interest and did not want my name on a building that had a D rating..
I give Vail a D...we shall see

Which one? C&W, CBRE, Equity, Colliers?

 

[pinion]

Dad even went to Guest Services to complain.... No help from them at all
Over $1,000 spent.....

They will NEVER EVER go back....

What were the main complaints? Granted, family skiing is tough this year at Attitash without the double-double or Kachina running (nor Wandering Skis available) and I'm empathetic to that but not sure if they ran into lift lines or other issues?

 

[Hawk]

a stowe homer shouldnt even be happy with this situation unless they are one of the lucky or retired people who can ski weekdays. if i was a long time stowe homeowner who used my place on the weekends and holidays, because my family needs to work and be in school during the week, i would be furious that my home mountain that used to be a truly premium product is now fuckin bargain bin. traffic down 108 to 100 on Saturday mornings. fuck that shit.

I am not a Stowe Homer but used to ski there at least 4-6 days a year. I have to say I agree with Kusty 100%. The whole experience has been ruined up there. Crazy lines, traffic, the new Shi-Shi crowd. It is not even close to what it used to be. Ruinied forever.

 

[pinion]

the new Shi-Shi crowd.

The Shi-Shi crowds come and go, no? And alternate resorts historically? I recall late 80's my dad calling Sugarbush "mascara mountain" and my grandfather correcting him saying Stowe used to be "mascara mountain".

Current day though I am no match for the Tesla Armada heading up to Stowe Friday nights and Saturday mornings

 

[Wolfman]

Correct ! - Both AT & WC are down considerably from the normal patrol #'s of a couple years ago...
For those that left (some after 20-30 years) it was never about the $$$

Lack of patrol is not a factor in terrain being closed at WC. Patrol is the pretty much the only department that's adequately staffed there. Numbers are smaller because Vail doesn't take volunteer patrollers, the number of paid patrol is pretty much the same or more than there were before.

 

[Hawk]

Both Sugarbush and Stowe have had thier share of celeberties and NY high society vists. That is not the Shi-Shi we have now. At least in those days the mountain was filled with some of the best skiers in the east including some of those high society people. Now with the developement there are 100x of those families but it's not the same people. They are new rich that want to skip the line with their private lessons and eat in there private club at Spruce. Certainly not the crowd at the Matterhorn I would say.

 

[2Planker]

Lack of patrol is not a factor in terrain being closed at WC. Patrol is the pretty much the only department that's adequately staffed there. Numbers are smaller because Vail doesn't take volunteer patrollers, the number of paid patrol is pretty much the same or more than there were before.

Then why are they asking us to come back ??
Both At & WC called in October and then again in Dec., just before Xmas

 

[Wolfman]

Then why are they asking us to come back ??
Both At & WC called in October and then again n Dec., just before Xmas

Couldn't say. But we've been pretty comfy so far and trails definitely aren't staying closed because there's nobody to patrol them.

 

[2Planker]

Couldn't say. But we've been pretty comfy so far and trails definitely aren't staying closed because there's nobody to patrol them.

40 years as NSP & OEC Senior Level Instructor/Evaluator/Trainer....
Not gonna lower my standards to their level.
Enjoying my year off.
Have 2 offers so far for next year....

 

[Wolfman]

40 years as NSP & OEC Senior Level Instructor/Evaluator/Trainer....
Not gonna lower my standards to their level.
Enjoying my year off.
Have 2 offers so far for next year....

Good for you. Doesn't mean you know a thing about how WC patrol is doing things here apparently.

 

[2Planker]

Good for you. Doesn't mean you know a thing about how WC patrol is doing things here apparently.

I spent 12 years working there, and probably trained every single person there now....
I'm friends w/ several WC patrol who stuck it out, so I get an update 2,3 times/week.

Defend them all you want... The place is falling apart.
Your new GM is already out looking for another job.
The whole MWV hates Vail and anything connected to it.

Thanx Vail, You're the best

On the Upside - BW was spectacular yesterday

 

[MogulMonsters]

What were the main complaints? Granted, family skiing is tough this year at Attitash without the double-double or Kachina running (nor Wandering Skis available) and I'm empathetic to that but not sure if they ran into lift lines or other issues?

I would suspect that the advertised open trails and the actually, fully serviced green trails was a disappointing. Attitash (as of today's snow report) is burning grooming resources on is Bearfoot Creek, Billys Bbq, and Chilly Mac without a lift to service them.

When my kiddo was a green cruiser Pinball Alley --> Bear Necessity --> Chilly Mac was one of our favorites. Pinball is blue on paper but very approachable.

 

[pinion]

Heard. Not a defense, but I would assume those need to be occasionally groomed if there is a certain amount of snow as part of the HOA/Attitash agreement for Bearfoot Creek. Not running Abenaki is a real shame for Bear Peak as a whole but especially for those who now have overpriced "ski in, hike out" accommodations.

 

[MogulMonsters]

Trails should not be listed as "open" on a snow report if they have no lift access. Heck about 10% of "open" trails have no serviceable lifts. I'd be bitter if I had kids looking for greens too.

In more positive news, halfway through ski season Attitash is blowing snow. There were legit tons of whales out there, and snowmakers everywhere yesterday.

 

[Katahdin]

In more positive news, halfway through ski season Attitash is blowing snow. There were legit tons of whales out there, and snowmakers everywhere yesterday.

Too bad it seems like they don't have anyone to push out those whales. Looks like they make tons of snow last week on both peaks, but I don't think they opened a single new trail for the weekend.

 

[Wolfman]

I spent 12 years working there, and probably trained every single person there now....
I'm friends w/ several WC patrol who stuck it out, so I get an update 2,3 times/week.

Defend them all you want... The place is falling apart.
Your new GM is already out looking for another job.
The whole MWV hates Vail and anything connected to it.

Thanx Vail, You're the best

On the Upside - BW was spectacular yesterday

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Vail. But the idea we don't have enough patrol is just not correct. And i get my updates every day, because I patrol there now.

 

[MadKitty]

Heard. Not a defense, but I would assume those need to be occasionally groomed if there is a certain amount of snow as part of the HOA/Attitash agreement for Bearfoot Creek. Not running Abenaki is a real shame for Bear Peak as a whole but especially for those who now have overpriced "ski in, hike out" accommodations.

I heard Abenaki won't run this season because they took parts from it to keep the triple going.