VAIL SUCKS

[Smellytele]

I thought a resident from Rhode Island started the lawsuit.

I was wrong it wasn't NH. It was DOJ

 

[eatskisleep]

https://www.justice.gov/atr/case-document/file/628756/download

 

[KustyTheKlown]

madison square garden venues are using facial recognition software to prevent lawyers whose law firms are in litigation against msg from entering events. i wonder how long til vail and alterra replace the foreign visa worker reviewing an iPod with heavy duty facial recognition software to stop pass sharing.

i actually started my career as an associate with this guy's firm. he LOVES his knicks. that sucks for him, but that's a whole other story. he sued over the ban. the second article is specifically about the facial recognition tech. today's episode of the daily podcast (also linked) is also specifically about the facial rec

Suing Madison Square Garden? Forget About Your Knicks Tickets. (Published 2022)

A lawyer who has had Knicks season tickets since the 1970s represents clients who are suing Madison Square Garden. So it barred all 60 of his firm’s lawyers from every game, concert and other event at its venues.

www.nytimes.com

Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies (Published 2022)

MSG Entertainment, the owner of the arena and Radio City Music Hall, has put lawyers who represent people suing it on an “exclusion list” to keep them out of concerts and sporting events.

www.nytimes.com

The ‘Enemies List’ at Madison Square Garden (Published 2023)

Facial recognition technology is being used at the arena to punish an unusual cohort — tort lawyers.

www.nytimes.com

 

[thetrailboss]

madison square garden venues are using facial recognition software to prevent lawyers whose law firms are in litigation against msg from entering events. i wonder how long til vail and alterra replace the foreign visa worker reviewing an iPod with heavy duty facial recognition software to stop pass sharing.

i actually started my career as an associate with this guy's firm. he LOVES his knicks. that sucks for him, but that's a whole other story. he sued over the ban. the second article is specifically about the facial recognition tech. today's episode of the daily podcast (also linked) is also specifically about the facial rec

Suing Madison Square Garden? Forget About Your Knicks Tickets. (Published 2022)

A lawyer who has had Knicks season tickets since the 1970s represents clients who are suing Madison Square Garden. So it barred all 60 of his firm’s lawyers from every game, concert and other event at its venues.

www.nytimes.com

Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies (Published 2022)

MSG Entertainment, the owner of the arena and Radio City Music Hall, has put lawyers who represent people suing it on an “exclusion list” to keep them out of concerts and sporting events.

www.nytimes.com

The ‘Enemies List’ at Madison Square Garden (Published 2023)

Facial recognition technology is being used at the arena to punish an unusual cohort — tort lawyers.

www.nytimes.com

"Thanks for the idea. We need to implement this system to keep the riff-raff out."

 

[cdskier]

madison square garden venues are using facial recognition software to prevent lawyers whose law firms are in litigation against msg from entering events. i wonder how long til vail and alterra replace the foreign visa worker reviewing an iPod with heavy duty facial recognition software to stop pass sharing.

i actually started my career as an associate with this guy's firm. he LOVES his knicks. that sucks for him, but that's a whole other story. he sued over the ban. the second article is specifically about the facial recognition tech. today's episode of the daily podcast (also linked) is also specifically about the facial rec

Suing Madison Square Garden? Forget About Your Knicks Tickets. (Published 2022)

A lawyer who has had Knicks season tickets since the 1970s represents clients who are suing Madison Square Garden. So it barred all 60 of his firm’s lawyers from every game, concert and other event at its venues.

www.nytimes.com

Madison Square Garden Uses Facial Recognition to Ban Its Owner’s Enemies (Published 2022)

MSG Entertainment, the owner of the arena and Radio City Music Hall, has put lawyers who represent people suing it on an “exclusion list” to keep them out of concerts and sporting events.

www.nytimes.com

The ‘Enemies List’ at Madison Square Garden (Published 2023)

Facial recognition technology is being used at the arena to punish an unusual cohort — tort lawyers.

www.nytimes.com

I would think implementing facial recognition software at a ski area lift gate might be a little more challenging since the vast majority of people will be wearing helmets, goggles, and/or masks of some sort.

 

[drjeff]

I would think implementing facial recognition software at a ski area lift gate might be a little more challenging since the vast majority of people will be wearing helmets, goggles, and/or masks of some sort.

You be surprised. Heard of plenty of situations where Vail employees with their scanning of Epic passes picked up on people using others passes (and not just a male using a female or vice versa) even with helmets, goggles and face masks on

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

It's detecting the nano chips aka covid vax that most of us got injected with

 

[cdskier]

You be surprised. Heard of plenty of situations where Vail employees with their scanning of Epic passes picked up on people using others passes (and not just a male using a female or vice versa) even with helmets, goggles and face masks on

What does real live employees picking up on people using other people's passes have to do with me saying that facial recognition software isn't capable of that today? I never said people couldn't do it...

 

[RH29]

It's detecting the nano chips aka covid vax that most of us got injected with

Vail Resorts being behind a plot to inject everyone with nanochips to stop pass sharing isn't even the most outlandish conspiracy I've heard today.

 

[ss20]

The technology already exists and is implemented regarding facial recognition at the lift gates. System will flag someone who does not match the photo and alert the human operator.

 

[thetrailboss]

I would think implementing facial recognition software at a ski area lift gate might be a little more challenging since the vast majority of people will be wearing helmets, goggles, and/or masks of some sort.

You be surprised. Heard of plenty of situations where Vail employees with their scanning of Epic passes picked up on people using others passes (and not just a male using a female or vice versa) even with helmets, goggles and face masks on

The technology already exists and is implemented regarding facial recognition at the lift gates. System will flag someone who does not match the photo and alert the human operator.

I was going to say what ss20 said--out west I see LOTS of cameras at the gates and a lot of technology to read people is already in use. Especially at Deer Valley. Nothing says, "welcome" like having MULTIPLE cameras staring at you as you go through the RFID gates to get on a lift. That was the FIRST thing I noticed after Alterra bought Deer Valley. Clearly Alterra's priority was to ensure that none of us little people stole lift access from them. FWIW Deer Valley had a pretty darn good theft deterrence program before Alterra and that was people physically greeting and "punching" tickets on gateway lifts. They used it a a public relations AND theft deterrence program. But they were not getting digital data for all those analytical information. And those greeters are largely gone now.

 

[djd66]

I would think with AI, the system would not only be looking at your face, but also your helmet, goggles, jacket, ski boots.

I have Zero issues with the ski areas going after people that are not paying. I buy passes - why should someone be getting a free ride.

 

[abc]

I would think with AI, the system would not only be looking at your face, but also your helmet, goggles, jacket, ski boots.

Right, so if I change to a warmer jacket, they’ll flag it as a different person?

Or, if it’s getting too warm and I decided not to wear a helmet, they’re going to make a big fuss???

 

[abc]

I have Zero issues with the ski areas going after people that are not paying.

It’s not an issue to find the pass sharers. It’s just the technology isn’t there. So the only one they‘re “catching” are the shit from company selling them the facial id software.

Chances are that’ll be a Chinese company! You know, they’ve got lot of practice spying on people the government didn’t like.

And your pass money help pay for that too.

 

[cdskier]

The technology already exists and is implemented regarding facial recognition at the lift gates. System will flag someone who does not match the photo and alert the human operator.

The question was "how long until an employee is replaced by heavy duty facial recognition". Flagging someone as a possible mis-match and then requiring a human to validate (as done today) is not the same as AI being to the point where the human validation is not needed. For many of the reasons already stated, I'd be curious just how many flagged mis-matches are dismissed by the human because they're not actual issues. I really don't see how facial recognition software could compare an actual face from a photo to an image of a person wearing a helmet, goggles, and mask and determine whether the hidden face underneath is a match or not. More likely the software is comparing the jacket, helmet, goggles, mask, etc to the last few images of that same person through the gate and looking for substantial changes between them. That's not true facial recognition like what MSG was using to ban/blacklist people from entering.

 

[djd66]

Right, so if I change to a warmer jacket, they’ll flag it as a different person?

Or, if it’s getting too warm and I decided not to wear a helmet, they’re going to make a big fuss???

Nope, not the technology I’m talking about.
Let’s in the last 5 days, you wear a black helmet, white goggles, red jacket, yellow ski pants and blue ski boots. You scan in at 5’11”.

Then one day you show up, scan in at 5’7”. Every piece of clothing is different, helmet and goggles are different and ski boots are different. I would say there is a 95% chance you are not the pass holder.

This is the technology- not none article of clothing.

 

[eatskisleep]

I would think with AI, the system would not only be looking at your face, but also your helmet, goggles, jacket, ski boots.

I have Zero issues with the ski areas going after people that are not paying. I buy passes - why should someone be getting a free ride.

IMO The problem is not with stopping people from stealing (as I think we can all agree that is a violation) in the case of the articles posted above MSG banned people from an entire law firm from all of their properties (like Radio City Music Hall) even those that did not work in the state of NY.

Imagine if Vail did that to those of us that complain about Vail or work for competing companies? The technology goes too far in that sense, it can be abused.

 

[deadheadskier]

I better start deleting some of my posts here or I'm for sure gonna get permabanned from Vail.

 

[eatskisleep]

Can we voluntarily ban ourselves from Vail resorts?

 

[thebigo]

Can we voluntarily ban ourselves from Vail resorts?

I tried, unfortunately they have NHARA by the balls. $97 for a midweek ticket at sunapee. Zero parent discount for a midweek skills day, hauling half a team home from the event. Everyone of those kids parent's paid $80 for the privilege.