VAIL SUCKS

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

I like Montage enough that they could likely sway me to Epic, Ikon or Indy. Most interesting pod of terrain within 2:15 of me on their North Face and almost never a crowd there.

Replacing their Long Haul lift (only one that serves close to their full vertical) with a reliable high speed lift would seriously boost their ranking in NEPA.

 

[jimmywilson69]

Vail isn't adding any new mountains... They need to figure out how to deal with 22 Peak Resorts mountains in a non-pandemic scenario. they didn't even run summer operations at roundtop last year. Apparently their summer camps and other things they do are quite profitable. So they basically have to figure out how all of these little pieces work and how they can assimilate them into "VAIL"

I just want to know what the price is. I have to buy epic becasue that is what is 4 miles from where I type this. The question for me is do I also buy an Ikon base?

 

[jimmywilson69]

Replacing their Long Haul lift (only one that serves close to their full vertical) with a reliable high speed lift would seriously boost their ranking in NEPA.

that lift ride is so F'n long...

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

that lift ride is so F'n long...

People who like to drink and ski (I don't) describe it as a 2 beer ride. It feels like 20 minutes.

Vail isn't adding any new mountains... They need to figure out how to deal with 22 Peak Resorts mountains in a non-pandemic scenario. they didn't even run summer operations at roundtop last year. Apparently their summer camps and other things they do are quite profitable. So they basically have to figure out how all of these little pieces work and how they can assimilate them into "VAIL"

I just want to know what the price is. I have to buy epic becasue that is what is 4 miles from where I type this. The question for me is do I also buy an Ikon base?

Hard to figure out what their alleged game changer is if they don't buy something. Most likely just marketing BS.

 

[abc]

People who like to drink and ski (I don't) describe it as a 2 beer ride.

Hard to figure out what their alleged game changer is if they don't buy something. Most likely just marketing BS.

what game changer?

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

what game changer?

Their "save the date" announcement alleges "This Changes Everything"

 

[jaytrem]

I don't know anything about Massanutten or Bryce.

When I pulled up to Bryce a bit after noon Sunday, cars were parked all over the place. Was a bit of a shock after leaving a very quiet Homestead. Good amount of people were already leaving, so I got a good spot and the lift lines quickly got smaller and smaller. Definitely seems to be doing some booming business though.

Massanuttin also had a good crowd when I was there. Was there on a Monday evening. No lines to speak of, but just about every chair had a butt in it. There were a few empties on the summit lift.

 

[PAabe]

I like Montage enough that they could likely sway me to Epic, Ikon or Indy. Most interesting pod of terrain within 2:15 of me on their North Face and almost never a crowd there.

Replacing their Long Haul lift (only one that serves close to their full vertical) with a reliable high speed lift would seriously boost their ranking in NEPA.

I too would love to see Long Haul lift replaced, however, this has been much discussed on other forums. Issue is that Long Haul lift can only be reached by black runs, and Montage has already pretty much expanded their terrain as much as they can. There are really only 2 ways down from the top to bottom of Long Haul, which are the last trails to open in a given year. It would be hard to generate the kind of traffic to justify a detachable lift in that location even if they somehow figured how to cut a blue to the bottom of long haul, and the maitenance on a detachable could very well put Montage under yet again. As it is Long Haul is rarely run and rarely needed except on weekends.

Montage is just weird. Best I can see happening is Long Haul getting a loading carpet and speed cranked up like the Greek Peak "express" lift, but even then, you have a 1 mile long lift line (longest in PA allegedly) that isn't very steep.

 

[abc]

Strange. Even though I'm a Epic pass holder, I receive no e-mail from Vail

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

I too would love to see Long Haul lift replaced, however, this has been much discussed on other forums. Issue is that Long Haul lift can only be reached by black runs, and Montage has already pretty much expanded their terrain as much as they can. There are really only 2 ways down from the top to bottom of Long Haul, which are the last trails to open in a given year. It would be hard to generate the kind of traffic to justify a detachable lift in that location even if they somehow figured how to cut a blue to the bottom of long haul, and the maitenance on a detachable could very well put Montage under yet again. As it is Long Haul is rarely run and rarely needed except on weekends.

Montage is just weird. Best I can see happening is Long Haul getting a loading carpet and speed cranked up like the Greek Peak "express" lift, but even they, you have a 1 mile long lift line (longest in PA allegedly) that isn't very steep.

My daughters and I have started counting chairs on lifts and comparing. Slow lifts always have the most chairs. Highest count we have seen yet is Sundance at Mt Snow (208). Long Haul could be a contender though.

I doubt the steepness of the blacks going to Long Haul deter many. They easily could be called blues and most of their blues really should be called green. Their double blacks are at least (by PA standards) legit.

 

[PAabe]

My daughters and I have started counting chairs on lifts and comparing. Slow lifts always have the most chairs. Highest count we have seen yet is Sundance at Mt Snow (208). Long Haul could be a contender though.

I doubt the steepness of the blacks going to Long Haul deter many. They easily could be called blues and most of their blues really should be called green. Their double blacks are at least (by PA standards) legit.

So I was snowboarding at Montage with a less skilled skiier friend (because they have that $40 ski for all which includes rentals). Those blacks could almost be blues except the last drop right by the long haul lift is definitely way steeper than any of the blues at montage or even in PA except maybe the very top of Minuteman at Roundtop. I really was paying quite a bit of attention to the slope given the snowboard and ice that day, and we fell down numerous time on that bit, even accidentally slid the whole way down on the bum haha. Calling that a blue to entice people down to a high speed lift could cause some carnage with the general skiing NJ/PA population.

I would love to see lift upgrades at Montage but really am not sure what could reasonably be done other than just cranking the speed up on Long Haul and Phoebe snow and hoping people can load them alright

Hair brained idea, replace Long Haul with detachable Poma pulls, probably could go faster than the current chair and you get to ski 1 mile both up and down.

 

[Ski2LiveLive2Ski]

So I was snowboarding at Montage with a less skilled skiier friend (because they have that $40 ski for all which includes rentals). Those blacks could almost be blues except the last drop right by the long haul lift is definitely way steeper than any of the blues at montage or even in PA except maybe the very top of Minuteman at Roundtop. I really was paying quite a bit of attention to the slope given the snowboard and ice that day, and we fell down numerous time on that bit, even accidentally slid the whole way down on the bum haha. Calling that a blue to entice people down to a high speed lift could cause some carnage with the general skiing NJ/PA population.

I would love to see lift upgrades at Montage but really am not sure what could reasonably be done other than just cranking the speed up on Long Haul and Phoebe snow and hoping people can load them alright

Hair brained idea, replace Long Haul with detachable Poma pulls, probably could go faster than the current chair and you get to ski 1 mile both up and down.

I think Switchback or Dreamweaver at Blue could have equivalent steep. But it is way steeper than other Montage blues. You need the wind at your back on some of them.

 

[Mum skier]

Strange. Even though I'm a Epic pass holder, I receive no e-mail from Vail

That’s because they are tracking your posts on AZ and have removed you from their supporters list!

 

[JimG.]

That’s because they are tracking your posts on AZ and have removed you from their supporters list!

You beat me to that post!

 

[jimmywilson69]

my email came at 5:38 yesterday and was in my spam folder.

 

[deadheadskier]

My only curiosity is what they mean by "Game Changer".

Not buying Epic next year. Just curious what that means

 

[thebigo]

that lift ride is so F'n long...

Just looked up the long haul on lift blog. It is a quarter mile shorter than the summit triple at attitash.

 

[deadheadskier]

Must be the longest lift in PA then

 

[jimmywilson69]

I guess not to be outdone by Vail's soulless media blast yesterday. My Twitter feed is now filled with texts from Ikon affiliated resorts with the the exact same language and corny video...

 

[jimmywilson69]

Route 66 at Blue Knob is 200' longer at 4900'. That too is a slow ass, old double.

Apparently before last season they rebuilt the motor on Long Haul at Montage and cut the time down by a few minutes...