Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[abc]

Actually, I think our government is going about this "vaccination nudge" the wrong way.

After all these months of "education" aka carrots, it's time for "sticks". By which I don't mean any sort of forced vaccination. I mean they should start raising the cost of vaccination for those who are still dilly-dally about getting vaccinated!

First, drugstores are allowed to charge to cover their cost of vaccination, say $5-10/shot, starting say Labor Day.
Then, by October, vaccination will cost the recipient whatever the drug company want to charge.

Combine the restriction of public access, I bet that would speed up those who're on the fence getting the vaccine!

The problem we have right now is people think it's free, therefore there must be something fishy about it. Well, made that the requirement to eat in restaurants, AND take away the "free" part of the vaccine! Turn vaccination into a desirable commodity instead of a public duty!

Some people are stupid and selfish. Play to that and they will fall like dominos!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

i completely disagree that putting up cost barriers to getting vaccinated will help more people get vaccinated. that's a pretty nutty theory.

restricting the unvaccinated's access to the privileges of citizenship and the fun things in life is what will move the needle. france got 5 million people vaccinated the week after macron said you need vaccination to partake in cafe society

 

[skiur]

Actually, I think our government is going about this "vaccination nudge" the wrong way.

After all these months of "education" aka carrots, it's time for "sticks". By which I don't mean any sort of forced vaccination. I mean they should start raising the cost of vaccination for those who are still dilly-dally about getting vaccinated!

First, drugstores are allowed to charge to cover their cost of vaccination, say $5-10/shot, starting say Labor Day.
Then, by October, vaccination will cost the recipient whatever the drug company want to charge.

Combine the restriction of public access, I bet that would speed up those who're on the fence getting the vaccine!

The problem we have right now is people think it's free, therefore there must be something fishy about it. Well, made that the requirement to eat in restaurants, AND take away the "free" part of the vaccine! Turn vaccination into a desirable commodity instead of a public duty!

Some people are stupid and selfish. Play to that and they will fall like dominos!

I would say the first step would be to get FDA approval. Tough to charge for a drug that does not have FDA approval.

 

[abc]

i completely disagree that putting up cost barriers to getting vaccinated will help more people get vaccinated. that's a pretty nutty theory.

Nutty?

You call the "Vail success story" of announcing in advance of price increase "nutty"? There's typically an uptick of takers just prior to the deadline of each price increase!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

yes, charging people who dont want to take a vaccine for free isn't going to move the needle. its nonsense. the vail comparison isn't on point. those people want a season pass. a price increase nudges them to finalize a purchase they actually wanted to make. these people dont want a vaccine. a cost adds another hurdle to getting them to vaccinate.

 

[Not Sure]

I would say the first step would be to get FDA approval.

I would say this is “the “ biggest reason. People are skeptical about safety , throw in some unfamiliar technology Mrna .

Another factor is big tech is censoring discussion and removing posts for “ miss information “ which may or not be accurate. So the skeptics are given more reasons to be suspicious.

I never buy a first model year vehicle….let someone else pay to work out the bugs.
I waited a while to get vaccinated and a week after my second shot was down for 3 days.
Hopefully it’s over but I still have lingering pain where I was vaccinated.

All the other vaccinations that are required to have been tested for a long time . People need to chill out!

 

[cdskier]

yes, charging people who dont want to take a vaccine for free isn't going to move the needle. its nonsense. the vail comparison isn't on point. those people want a season pass. a price increase nudges them to finalize a purchase they actually wanted to make. these people dont want a vaccine. a cost adds another hurdle to getting them to vaccinate.

I agree with this. Making the vaccine no longer free will do absolutely nothing to encourage people that didn't want it in the first place to get it. That's a seriously bizarre idea. And you're also 100% right about why the Vail comparison is completely different.

 

[deadheadskier]

Another factor is big tech is censoring discussion and removing posts for “ miss information “ which may or not be accurate. So the skeptics are given more reasons to be suspicious.

They are doing so because you have a bunch of conspiracy believing morons with megaphones on social media that are getting people killed.

Take this guy for instance. He bought into the bullshit, continued to spread it himself and is now dead. His now widow wife has the virus and his infant son will grow up without a father.

Texas GOP Official Mocked COVID Five Days Before He Died of Virus

H. Scott Apley’s Facebook page was filled with anti-mask, anti-vaccine content until he was suddenly hospitalized on Sunday.

www.thedailybeast.com

It's the same basic principle as yelling fire in a crowded theater. Society doesn't need that and it doesn't need the hoax crowd influencing people to make in some cases, deadly decisions.

But yeah, Big Tech is the Boogeyman

 

[Smellytele]

Someone gave the example of the polio vaccine. Not a good example as the first few months it was given out people got polio and died. Then they corrected the issue.

 

[Not Sure]

They are doing so because you have a bunch of conspiracy believing morons with megaphones on social media that are getting people killed.

Take this guy for instance. He bought into the bullshit, continued to spread it himself and is now dead. His now widow wife has the virus and his infant son will grow up without a father.

Texas GOP Official Mocked COVID Five Days Before He Died of Virus

H. Scott Apley’s Facebook page was filled with anti-mask, anti-vaccine content until he was suddenly hospitalized on Sunday.

www.thedailybeast.com

It's the same basic principle as yelling fire in a crowded theater. Society doesn't need that and it doesn't need the hoax crowd influencing people to make in some cases, deadly decisions.

But yeah, Big Tech is the Boogeyman

As the science evolves something that might have been miss information three months ago might actually be true now.

There’s fruit cakes all over the place I don’t think you can really worry about them.

All I can say is thank God we’re not Australia but I’m worried we’re headed in that direction.

 

[deadheadskier]

As the science evolves something that might have been miss information three months ago might actually be true now.

There’s fruit cakes all over the place I don’t think you can really worry about them.

All I can say is thank God we’re not Australia but I’m worried we’re headed in that direction.

Evolving messages from the medical community as the science is better understood is not the same as Hoax spreaders.

What is Australia doing that you are so concerned about?

 

[Andrew B.]

that's an absurd position. public schools have required vaccinations for decades. these assholes shouldn't be accommodated, they should be exterminated.

They didn’t ask my opinion then

lots of anger in this one

 

[KustyTheKlown]

yea, i am angry that we could have been done with this already but half of this country more or less are completely worthless selfish pieces of shit. and I don't think I ever asked for your opinion.

 

[Not Sure]

As a sidenote my friend Walt just lost his 24-year-old son to suicide. He was a little bit depressed during the shut downs but no one knew he was that bad. A month ago he received a job offer oh and was excited to be heading out west. Company did a medical background check and found out he had epilepsy and rescinded the offer. He committed suicide two weeks ago.

I think we also need to consider the mental health aspects as well.

 

[Andrew B.]

Okay, how do you feel public schools should provide for those who are not vaccinated?

I don’t have the answer (I am far from an educator) but we make accommodations in our school system on a regular basis

 

[skiur]

yea, i am angry that we could have been done with this already but half of this country more or less are completely worthless selfish pieces of shit. and I don't think I ever asked for your opinion.

That's a pretty messed up attitude to have against people that don't want to take a vaccine that doesn't even have full FDA approval.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

dont care. fuck these people. they are a cancer on the world with no sense of civic responsibility.

your weak ass full FDA approval argument will be moot in like 30 days time.

 

[Andrew B.]

yea, i am angry that we could have been done with this already but half of this country more or less are completely worthless selfish pieces of shit. and I don't think I ever asked for your opinion.

You do realize that this doesn’t go away until a certain percentage of the world (not just the USA) develops some immunity right? It’s a lot bigger than 50% of this country.

Good luck with that.

 

[deadheadskier]

I don’t have the answer (I am far from an educator) but we make accommodations in our school system on a regular basis

Pretty hard to make an accommodation in the same physical space when we are talking about highly contagious diseases.

As a parent, I don't want my kid in the same classroom as other kids without the MMR vaccine and I'll feel the same way about the Covid vaccine once it is cleared for use with kids.

I also don't want me teacher friends to have to accommodate those who are not vaccinated.

If parents want to go that route, there's always homeschooling.

 

[skiur]

dont care. fuck these people. they are a cancer on the world with no sense of civic responsibility.

your weak ass full FDA approval argument will be moot in like 30 days time.

I hope so, maybe for Pfizer, but even for that I doubt it in 30 days. Moderna and j&j are much further out. While Im already fully vaccinated, how is that a weak argument when the administration that tests and approves the safety of the vaccine has not approved it yet? I would have to say that it is a pretty damn strong argument.