Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[Not Sure]

You quoted 2 posts. Neither of them had anything to do with the youtube remedy you mentioned

Sorry my phone is glitching today

 

[abc]

certain takes are clearly facetious (anti-vax concentration camps and exterminations)

its still nuts to start charging people for something they don't want in the first place.

If people truly don't want it, you can't do much about it. Donuts definitely aren't going to do it.

Forget about those who truly does not want it. They're deadbeats we have to live with. But they're not as numerous as the media make it sound.

But plenty of people are still on the fence. Those are the people that can be persuaded. Taking away other things they want more (restaurants, theaters) is one way. Announcing doing away the "free" part of vaccine is just another way. You need to create a "want" out of those who are still undecided.

 

[snoseek]

When they were sending out all that money could they have rebrands it as a reward for getting the shot? Would that be out of the question?

 

[dblskifanatic]

It's a tight labor market and the ones who pay up and create a good work culture are the ones who survive. The ones that close are the ones people dont want to work for and get no sympathy from me.

That is very black and white and not so simple. I know some restaurants that have closed and it was mostly because they had tight margins and food prices have been going up in fact sometimes they were not been able to get food period. Walk though a mall and see how many vacant suites there are.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

That is very black and white and not so simple. I know some restaurants that have closed and it was mostly because they had tight margins and food prices have been going up in fact sometimes they were not been able to get food period. Walk though a mall and see how many vacant suites there are.

i'm back in office two days a week and we're near newport center mall in jersey city. i popped over for lunch the other day and i'd say 2/3 of the food court is currently vacant. shopping malls suck and I remembered why I never liked getting lunch there in the before times.

 

[Smellytele]

Someone giving medical advice without a license to practice medicine should be locked up.

I just left a A podiatrist friends Office, he currently has two offices but is closing one due to staff shortage. He said if he loses one more staff he’s out of business. The employees that he did hire for his second office would show up for 2 to 3 days and then disappear.

Someone else I spoke to earlier today informed me my wives favorite restaurant that’s closing due to staff shortages and inconsistent food delivery , they’ve been in business for 80 years. This is nuts!!!

You have multiple wives?

 

[Not Sure]

You have multiple wives?

Yes but don’t tell the first one.

 

[2Planker]

Health Ins companies are actively discussing a surcharge for Unvacinnated individuals.

Otherwise the cost of taking care of Covid Pts will be paid by all of us in our premiums...

 

[Not Sure]

When Money Can't Buy Shots: New York City's Vaccine Holdouts

Far Rockaway and Bedford-Stuyvesant are the least inoculated neighborhoods

www.bloomberg.com

When Money Can't Buy Shots: New York City's Vaccine Holdouts

Far Rockaway and Bedford-Stuyvesant are the least inoculated neighborhoods

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Not Sure]

When Money Can't Buy Shots: New York City's Vaccine Holdouts

Far Rockaway and Bedford-Stuyvesant are the least inoculated neighborhoods

www.bloomberg.com

When Money Can't Buy Shots: New York City's Vaccine Holdouts

Far Rockaway and Bedford-Stuyvesant are the least inoculated neighborhoods

www.bloomberg.com

Scotty It’s a link

 

[snoseek]

That is very black and white and not so simple. I know some restaurants that have closed and it was mostly because they had tight margins and food prices have been going up in fact sometimes they were not been able to get food period. Walk though a mall and see how many vacant suites there are.

If their product is good enough doesn't matter

 

[cdskier]

If people truly don't want it, you can't do much about it. Donuts definitely aren't going to do it.

Forget about those who truly does not want it. They're deadbeats we have to live with. But they're not as numerous as the media make it sound.

But plenty of people are still on the fence. Those are the people that can be persuaded. Taking away other things they want more (restaurants, theaters) is one way. Announcing doing away the "free" part of vaccine is just another way. You need to create a "want" out of those who are still undecided.

College students are buying fake vaccine cards to skirt admission requirements

The FBI is cracking down on similar schemes elsewhere

www.nj.com

If people are willing to pay to AVOID getting it, there's no way making it cost money to get the vaccine would in any way, shape, or form incentivize those people to get the vaccine.

 

[Andrew B.]

College students are buying fake vaccine cards to skirt admission requirements

The FBI is cracking down on similar schemes elsewhere

www.nj.com

If people are willing to pay to AVOID getting it, there's no way making it cost money to get the vaccine would in any way, shape, or form incentivize those people to get the vaccine.

kids will pay twenty 12 packs ($200) to avoid getting the vaccine????
that’s more conviction than I ever had at that age.

 

[2Planker]

College students are buying fake vaccine cards to skirt admission requirements

The FBI is cracking down on similar schemes elsewhere

www.nj.com

If people are willing to pay to AVOID getting it, there's no way making it cost money to get the vaccine would in any way, shape, or form incentivize those people to get the vaccine.

I had a Pt very proudly show me his Fake CDC Vacc Card that he paid $29 for.
Looked OK, but not on card stock. The Lot # did not match the normal 2 letter 4 number sequence for Pfizer

Wifey is college dean at a catholic school and it's an instant expulsion w/ no refund, OUCH

 

[cdskier]

I had a Pt very proudly show me his Fake CDC Vacc Card that he paid $29 for.
Looked OK, but not on card stock. The Lot # did not match the normal 2 letter 4 number sequence for Pfizer

Wifey is college dean at a catholic school and it's an instant expulsion w/ no refund, OUCH

That's one way to teach kids a lesson...that policy makes total sense to me and I'd have no problem with any college that did that.

It is one thing to not want the shot for whatever reason, but it is a completely different thing to lie about it. If you don't want the shot, then you need to be willing to accept the consequences of that. If that means you can't attend a certain school because they require it, then too bad.

 

[drjeff]

This is likely to be an unpopular perspective here about the college aged and younger crowd and their hesitancy to get vaccinated.

First off, since the majority of our "most vulnerable" for whom the risk of getting serious complications from COVID if they get it, have been vaccinated and as such have protection from the disease or serious side effects if they should get it the overwhelming majority of the time. That IS what the OBJEVTIVE data currently shows.

For the age demographic of *most* "normal" college aged students and younger, the data shows OBJECTIVELY, that should they get COVID that it won't be much different than getting a cold/the flu for the overwhelming percentage of them. That is what the data shows.

I believe that the vaccines are safe, and time will show that there will be no side effects, hence why my wife and I had our 2 high-school aged kids vaccinated in the Spring.

Now if you have a younger person who may not be so sure about potential long term side effects from the vaccines, and they look at the potential side effects from them getting COVID, they may feel more comfortable with the COVID and recovering than getting vaccinated.

Again remember the vast majority of our most vulnerable are vaccinated, and hence their risk of significant complications if they get COVID are much lower than early on in this Pandemic.

Sometimes the emotions around this topic take over our brains and prevent the logical side from either looking at a different perspective or being able to objectively look at the full picture.

I hope as many people as possible get vaccinated

 

[abc]

I hope as many people as possible get vaccinated

I hope so too. But...

When the pandemic first started, the stated objective of the lockdown was to "protect the vulnerable". Well, heck, they're mostly vaccinated, aka "protected" now.

So, why the big deal about vaccinating the college kids? One might ask. I for one don't quite see the point of that big push. Frankly, as soon as the vulnerable got vaccinated, and all those who want to get it got their chance to get it, the lockdown is lifted. And the pandemic "over".

As far as I can tell, the pandemic IS OVER!

(I know, I know, there're breakthrough infection. But those people aren't clogging the hospital. They're recovering at home)

Sure, those who are vulnerable yet refused to vaccinate are getting sick and dying. But why should we give a rat's ass about them? They made their choice, they should live with the consequence!

They aren't clogging the hospitals either. There're just not enough of them! Thank god. And with each wave of the unvaccinated getting sick and landing in hospital, there're also wave of vaccine uptakes too!

So yea, I hope as many people vaccinate as possible. But I just don't think it's such a big deal. I also don't buy the notion they're wasting health care resources. We tolerate smokers and other unhealthy lifestyle getting sick and "wasting" health care resources all along. We can live with the Covid vaccine deniers hogging ventilator and ICU beds too.

I really do think too many people over react when it comes to vaccine mandate! Just like many under react at the beginning of the pandemic & lockdown.

 

[cdskier]

I'm really amazed people are even asking this question and still continue to think there's minimal risk for younger adults.

COVID-19 Risk Factors: A Comprehensive List

We review the risk factors that could put you most at risk of getting seriously ill from COVID-19, and the measures you can take to minimize your risk.

www.healthline.com

Covid: Younger adults still at risk of serious organ damage - study

Adults below the age of 50 are almost as likely to suffer from medical complications as the over-50s.

www.bbc.com

Coronavirus and COVID-19: Younger Adults Are at Risk, Too

Early reports indicated that young people were more likely to have milder cases of the disease. But that view may be changing.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

COVID 'Doesn't Discriminate By Age': Serious Cases On The Rise In Younger Adults

With older adults vaccinated, doctors say a growing share of their COVID-19 patients are in their 20s, 30s, 40s and 50s, as more contagious variants circulate among people who are still unvaccinated.

www.npr.org

 

[deadheadskier]

I hope so too. But...

When the pandemic first started, the stated objective of the lockdown was to "protect the vulnerable". Well, heck, they're mostly vaccinated, aka "protected" now.

So, why the big deal about vaccinating the college kids? One might ask. I for one don't quite see the point of that big push. Frankly, as soon as the vulnerable got vaccinated, and all those who want to get it got their chance to get it, the lockdown is lifted. And the pandemic "over".

As far as I can tell, the pandemic IS OVER!

(I know, I know, there're breakthrough infection. But those people aren't clogging the hospital. They're recovering at home)

Sure, those who are vulnerable yet refused to vaccinate are getting sick and dying. But why should we give a rat's ass about them? They made their choice, they should live with the consequence!

They aren't clogging the hospitals either. There're just not enough of them! Thank god. And with each wave of the unvaccinated getting sick and landing in hospital, there're also wave of vaccine uptakes too!

So yea, I hope as many people vaccinate as possible. But I just don't think it's such a big deal. I also don't buy the notion they're wasting health care resources. We tolerate smokers and other unhealthy lifestyle getting sick and "wasting" health care resources all along. We can live with the Covid vaccine deniers hogging ventilator and ICU beds too.

I really do think too many people over react when it comes to vaccine mandate! Just like many under react at the beginning of the pandemic & lockdown.

LOTS to unpack here

The big deal about getting less vulnerable people (younger) vaccinated is all about reducing the possibility of mutations. It's about trying to stop this thing in it's tracks before the next version isn't worse than the Delta that's going ham right now. Who is to say the next mutation doesn't start killing kids at the rate that older people have been killed at. Let's try and avoid that.

As far as the pandemic being over? Do you not read the news? There are health systems in Florida and elsewhere that are getting crushed right now. Hospitals are having to put beds in cafeterias, auditoriums etc. because their standard care wards are maxed. That's a fact.

Yes, other unhealthy lifestyle choices consume hospital resources too, but never ever have smokers, Big Mac addicts etc , flooded hospitals to the point that they've had to shutdown elective surgeries and procedures because those hospitals having to divert their entire staff towards their care like has gone on with Covid. I won't even get into the money damage difference, but trust me when I say it's MASSIVE.

Incredibly naive post abc.

About the only part of your post I agree with is not giving a rats ass about the unvaccinated getting really sick and sometimes dying. I do have some empathy for those though as all early deaths are still tragic. Often the result of believing bad information, which YOU are now guilty of spreading.

 

[drjeff]

Just a bit of objective perspective data that I just read about breakthrough infections amongst the fully vaccinated. And this was from an ABC news report from about 10 days ago numbers wise.

There are about 156 MILLION fully vaccinated Americans. There have been (at the time of reporting) about 153 THOUSAND breakthrough cases. That amounts to 0.098% of those who have been vaccinated having breakthrough cases (no demographic info about which age groups these cases happened in)

I know that based on the reporting of some media outlets it can be easy to think that the breakthrough rate amongst the vaccinated is 5%, 10%, 25%, etc. The objective data just doesn't show that.

Frankly as a whole, our society should, no actually almost HAS to learn to look beyond the headline and at the actual data, because those 2 things are often quite different.

For example, take the latest "County Transmission Risk" designation the CDC is using now. Since I haven't heard or read any clear explanation about what the exact metrics the CDC is using to asign these Transmission Risk designation levels, I went looking on the CDC's website for a few minutes today and couldn't find it.

Basically, I am not sure after trying to find it, and hearing Transmission Risk designation statuses changing all over the news right now, what the metrics the CDC is using. Is it based on an average number of new cases on a per 100000 basis for an entire County reaching some threshold level? Is it based on an individual city/town within the County reaching some threshold level? Is it based on an objective number of new cases over a certain period of time in a County? I honestly don't know after looking for that information.

Given that these Transmission Risk designation are now being used to affect how some areas go about their daily lives right now, shouldn't the metrics the CDC is using be readily available and clearly explained to the public?

We should/have to learn to demand to see the data behind the statements our elected officials and appointed public health leaders are using in determing if and what restrictions on our lives, are based on