Vermont Skier Visits Down Significantly Due to COVID-19

[Andrew B.]

that's an absurd position. public schools have required vaccinations for decades. these assholes shouldn't be accommodated, they should be exterminated.

Exterminating people?????
And you have a symbol dear to the hearts of the peace and love generation as an avatar. That’s a mixed message right there.

 

[Andrew B.]

Pretty hard to make an accommodation in the same physical space when we are talking about highly contagious diseases.

As a parent, I don't want my kid in the same classroom as other kids without the MMR vaccine and I'll feel the same way about the Covid vaccine once it is cleared for use with kids.

I also don't want me teacher friends to have to accommodate those who are not vaccinated.

If parents want to go that route, there's always homeschooling.

Equal access to all rights
Education is a right in this country, right?

 

[skiur]

Equal access to all rights
Education is a right in this country, right?

Vaccination has been a requirement of going to public school for decades. I'm not sure what your argument is. Once that vaccine has full FDA approval, it should most definitely be required to attend public school.

 

[deadheadskier]

Equal access to all rights
Education is a right in this country, right?

There are restrictions, one of them being vaccine requirements that have gone back decades.

 

[drjeff]

As a sidenote my friend Walt just lost his 24-year-old son to suicide. He was a little bit depressed during the shut downs but no one knew he was that bad. A month ago he received a job offer oh and was excited to be heading out west. Company did a medical background check and found out he had epilepsy and rescinded the offer. He committed suicide two weeks ago.

I think we also need to consider the mental health aspects as well.

I fully anticipate, (and so hope that I am 100% WRONG about this), that for far more people that had COVID related side effects and/or passed away from it, the lingering mental health issues will ultimately be the bigger story for so many people.

Just think about our young school aged kids, there certainly are many of them who don't remember what being is school mask free is like, and think that just breathing could lead to sickness and death. And that doesn't even get into the effects that virtual school had on the education process of so many kids (heck you can find countless number of stories about how while virtual that significant number of kids (in some inner city schools 20%+) NEVER logged into a single virtual class. How the heck does sociiety overcome that, and especially within a population that due to 101 other circumstances was already facing an uphill battle on the education front?

And that doesn't even get into the older age groups who have been isolated, and/or watched their jobs or businesses they built be taken from them by this. Or the seniors who haven't/weren't able to see their family for months on end. Or the family members who couldn't be there when one of their loved one's may have passed away from COVID or even have a memorial service for them soon thereafter.

The linger mental effects from this are going to be massive

The data has so often been twisted - and one can certainly find examples of the "anti vaxxers" as well as the "keep society closed since I'm going to die if I step out of my home" - all over the place on COVID, and that's just disgusting.

There are some that just need to get over the vaccine fear, just like there are others who need to stop thinking that COVID is a certaon death sentence for anyone who contracts it. BOTH sides are just wrong, and the most vocal from either side will likely never admit that they're wrong

 

[abc]

the vail isn't on point. those people want a season pass. a price increase nudges them to finalize a purchase they actually wanted to make.

But once schools and restaurants are requiring vaccination, it will become a "want" (out of "need").

The price increase will speed up the uptake.

You guys are directing your anger at the wrong people! There're anti-vaxxers. But they're the minority. A large portion of the unvaccinated are the vaccine hesitants and indifferents. Those can be cohered into taking it, either by donuts or by the restriction to access donuts!

The anti-vaxxers, they should be allowed to get sick and die. And all the lessor inconvenience such as no jobs and no restaurants.

Speaking of jobs. How about making pandemic related benefits tied to getting vaccinated? After all, you're getting help due to the pandemic, now there's no pandemic for the vaccinated. So get off your butt and get a job. Job #1 IS getting vaccinated! You don't take that "job offer"? You lose your benefit!

 

[cdskier]

I hope so, maybe for Pfizer, but even for that I doubt it in 30 days. Moderna and j&j are much further out. While Im already fully vaccinated, how is that a weak argument when the administration that tests and approves the safety of the vaccine has not approved it yet? I would have to say that it is a pretty damn strong argument.

The argument is about as pointless as standing in the middle of train tracks with a train heading towards you and refusing to acknowledge that the train will hit you until it actually happens. There is no data out there that would indicate there's any reason the vaccines wouldn't get full approval. EUA isn't something the FDA just does for fun. A lot of the same data that was used to grant the EUA is what is normally used for a full FDA approval.

 

[drjeff]

But once schools and restaurants are requiring vaccination, it will become a "want" (out of "need").

The price increase will speed up the uptake.

You guys are directing your anger at the wrong people! There're anti-vaxxers. But they're the minority. A large portion of the unvaccinated are the vaccine hesitants and indifferents. Those can be cohered into taking it, either by donuts or by the restriction to access donuts!

The anti-vaxxers, they should be allowed to get sick and die. And all the lessor inconvenience such as no jobs and no restaurants.

Speaking of jobs. How about making pandemic related benefits tied to getting vaccinated? After all, you're getting help due to the pandemic, now there's no pandemic for the vaccinated. So get off your butt and get a job. Job #1 IS getting vaccinated! You don't take that "job offer"? You lose your benefit!

It's exactly statements like that that are the problem, since by the data out there, the simple reality is that even in our "most vulnerable" of demographics, the mortality rate for someone who contracts COVID is only around 5%, and for the younger and younger age groups, the data shows that the survivability rate is often has it's first non zero number multiple places to the right of the decimal point. The reality is that the risk of death is very low for anyone who contracts COVID. That risk also certainly gets lower if one is vaccinated, no doubt about that at all.

Now, I fully anticipate some of the participants in this thread to cherry pick a specific case where the person who passed away from COVID had multiple underlying conditions, conditions that already had them at an increased risk of mortality for likely a plethora of other diseases out there as well.

At some point, the simple fact that life, no matter how much we wish it wasn't the case, will always have some degree of risk involved with it. I mean on the skiing/riding front, we all have seen people who CHOOSE to ski/ride a line or in a way that brings far greater risk upon themselves than we would be comfortable bringing upon ourselves. And in situations where it doesn't turn out well for them, how often does a line like "atleast they died doing what they love..." get thrown around. And I am sure that their actions do affect their loved ones and those who ended up being tasked with thrying to rescue or recover them

 

[ThatGuy]

dont care. fuck these people. they are a cancer on the world with no sense of civic responsibility.

your weak ass full FDA approval argument will be moot in like 30 days time.

In a thread of terrible takes yours are definitely the worst. Guess my grandmother is a “cancer who needs to be exterminated” because she is immunocompromised. I think getting vaccinated is the right and smart thing to do as well but that doesn’t instantly mean anyone who feels otherwise is anti-vax or a detriment to society. Getting 100% of this country vaccinated would be great, but that doesn’t mean the rest of the world will be and new variants can still spring up across the globe. At the end of the day this is an unprecedented situation and everyone has their own interpretation and reaction, ranging from crazy conspiracies of depopulation to people afraid of leaving their own house. Bad public education and mixed messages from all avenues of authority have led us here and sadly I don’t see Covid or the insane animosity between people going away soon. Get vaccinated if you want to live as close to normal as possible and not risk dying from Covid. Fact of the matter is no one knows the future and we can only make informed decisions on which path is most prudent.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

your grandma ruined america. good job.

 

[abc]

It's exactly statements like that that are the problem, since by the data out there, the simple reality is that even in our "most vulnerable" of demographics, the mortality rate for someone who contracts COVID is only around 5%, and for the younger and younger age groups, the data shows that the survivability rate is often has it's first non zero number multiple places to the right of the decimal point. The reality is that the risk of death is very low for anyone who contracts COVID. That risk also certainly gets lower if one is vaccinated, no doubt about that at all.

Now, I fully anticipate some of the participants in this thread to cherry pick a specific case where the person who passed away from COVID had multiple underlying conditions, conditions that already had them at an increased risk of mortality for likely a plethora of other diseases out there as well.

At some point, the simple fact that life, no matter how much we wish it wasn't the case, will always have some degree of risk involved with it. I mean on the skiing/riding front, we all have seen people who CHOOSE to ski/ride a line or in a way that brings far greater risk upon themselves than we would be comfortable bringing upon ourselves. And in situations where it doesn't turn out well for them, how often does a line like "atleast they died doing what they love..." get thrown around. And I am sure that their actions do affect their loved ones and those who ended up being tasked with thrying to rescue or recover them

What "statement" exactly are you referring to?

 

[Not Sure]

Evolving messages from the medical community as the science is better understood is not the same as Hoax spreaders.

What is Australia doing that you are so concerned about?

Someone giving medical advice without a license to practice medicine should be locked up.

But once schools and restaurants are requiring vaccination, it will become a "want" (out of "need").

The price increase will speed up the uptake.

You guys are directing your anger at the wrong people! There're anti-vaxxers. But they're the minority. A large portion of the unvaccinated are the vaccine hesitants and indifferents. Those can be cohered into taking it, either by donuts or by the restriction to access donuts!

The anti-vaxxers, they should be allowed to get sick and die. And all the lessor inconvenience such as no jobs and no restaurants.

Speaking of jobs. How about making pandemic related benefits tied to getting vaccinated? After all, you're getting help due to the pandemic, now there's no pandemic for the vaccinated. So get off your butt and get a job. Job #1 IS getting vaccinated! You don't take that "job offer"? You lose your benefit!

I just left a A podiatrist friends Office, he currently has two offices but is closing one due to staff shortage. He said if he loses one more staff he’s out of business. The employees that he did hire for his second office would show up for 2 to 3 days and then disappear.

Someone else I spoke to earlier today informed me my wives favorite restaurant that’s closing due to staff shortages and inconsistent food delivery , they’ve been in business for 80 years. This is nuts!!!

 

[snoseek]

It's a tight labor market and the ones who pay up and create a good work culture are the ones who survive. The ones that close are the ones people dont want to work for and get no sympathy from me.

 

[Andrew B.]

It's a tight labor market and the ones who pay up and create a good work culture are the ones who survive. The ones that close are the ones people dont want to work for and get no sympathy from me.

my friends restaurant has the same staff from pre-Covid plus 2 new hires and he is KILLING it

 

[snoseek]

my friends restaurant has the same staff from pre-Covid plus 2 new hires and he is KILLING it

Damn straight if you adjust your pricing, pay people competitively and dont suck to work for you can make a killing right now. Demand is all time.

 

[abc]

Someone giving medical advice without a license to practice medicine should be locked up.

Someone else I spoke to earlier today informed me my wives favorite restaurant that’s closing due to staff shortages and inconsistent food delivery , they’ve been in business for 80 years. This is nuts!!!

Who's giving medical advice? (with or without license)

A lot of the "this is nuts" comments coming from people making "nutty" comments such as locking up anti-vaxxers). People need to look into the mirror before hitting the "submit" button!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

certain takes are clearly facetious (anti-vax concentration camps and exterminations)

its still nuts to start charging people for something they don't want in the first place.

 

[Not Sure]

Who's giving medical advice? (with or without license)

A lot of the "this is nuts" comments coming from people making "nutty" comments such as locking up anti-vaxxers). People need to look into the mirror before hitting the "submit" button!

Occasionally you’ll see “Home remedy “ video.
if you go on YouTube right now you’ll find people claiming that some poisonous plants will actually help them , those are whom I was referring .

Nuts was referring to what our job market has devolved to.

 

[drjeff]

What "statement" exactly are you referring to?

The one in my quoted reply to you that I highlighted in red

"The anti-vaxxers, they should be allowed to get sick and die"

Might some get sick and die? Certainly is a possibility. However, the data is quite clear, that if one, across any age demographic, gets COVID, they aren't going to die from it.

And the reality is that if someone who chose to get vaccinated is around someone who chose not to, and that person has COVID and passes it onto a vaccibated person and they test positive, that they are very, very, very, very, very likely to be fine. And if someone it at such high risk of sude effects from COVID, and has been vaccinated, chances are that they still are being very cautious and won't put themselves in such close quarters to others indoors for an extended period of time.

If you want to knit pick the say 0.0001%, then feel free to ket yourself obsess about it to your hearts content. There are so many more folks who, regardless of their vaccination status, are frankly just tired about altering our lives out of the very, very, very, very likely overblown fear of a small number of others

 

[abc]

Occasionally you’ll see “Home remedy “ video.
if you go on YouTube right now you’ll find people claiming that some poisonous plants will actually help them , those are whom I was referring .

You quoted 2 posts. Neither of them had anything to do with the youtube remedy you mentioned