What the heck is going on at Magic?

[makimono]

I'm just happy to hear that Black might be Back...I wouldn't mind if they switched to loading it double though, it's kind of like a clown car fitting 3 big dudes on it. And someone my height has their skis hanging a foot below the foot rest and the safety bar literally presses down on my massive skiers quads. :razz:

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[Do Work]

Agree. Given the choice between red and a higher capacity black chair, OR a red, black AND green - albeit all doubles, I would opt for that. I know I've said it before, but I believe that green would help to draw - and more importantly, keep - families at Magic


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IMO the real beauty of the green chair is not only accessibility to exclusively lower mountain runs in terms of families, but also for races and most importantly being able to open the hill earlier and at a lower startup cost. They could open the whole lower mountain much faster and easier than blowing all of upper carpet and then trick to wand to showoff. Getting those visitor dollars flowing much sooner would have a huge impact on the bottom line too. Lower mountain around thanksgiving? Yes please!! :beer:

 

[Savemeasammy]

IMO the real beauty of the green chair is not only accessibility to exclusively lower mountain runs in terms of families, but also for races and most importantly being able to open the hill earlier and at a lower startup cost. They could open the whole lower mountain much faster and easier than blowing all of upper carpet and then trick to wand to showoff. Getting those visitor dollars flowing much sooner would have a huge impact on the bottom line too. Lower mountain around thanksgiving? Yes please!! :beer:

Agree. That side of the mountain would be a decent early season offering for families.

As an aside, if the green chair would limit the number of rude little spandex monkeys riding red, than my support is stronger than ever!


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[steamboat1]

I was thinking the same thing. I would also think install cost are same/close whether double/triple/quad. Anyone have any hard data or real experience on this

Cost of Mittersill double was approx. $3 mil. Cost of new Valley House quad at Sugarbush about the same.

 

[MMP]

imagine how much weed you would save if there was a single chair. not me of course, but you know, if that was your thing.

 

[thetrailboss]

Cost of Mittersill double was approx. $3 mil. Cost of new Valley House quad at Sugarbush about the same.

I think that they were discussing buying used. It's too bad that they did not jump on the former Ascutney lifts. Pats Peak snatched the fixed grip lifts from Ascutney and I believe are planning on using them to replace their aging lifts. Those CTEC Lifts are pretty good. Maybe Magic can buy Burke's Willoughby Quad or something.

 

[rocks860]

Maybe sugarbush could sell them the north ridge quad. It probably runs more often that the black chair

 

[steamboat1]

Cost of Mittersill double was approx. $3 mil. Cost of new Valley House quad at Sugarbush about the same.

I think that they were discussing buying used. It's too bad that they did not jump on the former Ascutney lifts. Pats Peak snatched the fixed grip lifts from Ascutney and I believe are planning on using them to replace their aging lifts. Those CTEC Lifts are pretty good. Maybe Magic can buy Burke's Willoughby Quad or something.

So then I'd say 1/2 that since West Mt. claims it cost $1.5 mil. to buy & install the lift they bought from Heritage. Not sure if that's for only the one lift or the two they plan to eventually replace.

 

[marcski]

I was thinking the same thing. I would also think install cost are same/close whether double/triple/quad. Anyone have any hard data or real experience on this - and the above?

In the end it may simply come down to what lifts are available when Magic decides to take the plunge.

I hope not! That would be poor management. After this long...the mountain's biggest infrastructure project should come down to well more than just what's available at thr moment!! It should be an ongoing process over the course of a few years. Mgt needs to get the word out in the industry and locate lifts before they are even removed....well before the lift ever appears on the Boneyard site. That is the way, a small ski area survives and hopefully thrives.

 

[Magic]

Instead of a 3rd lift like green, how about a magic carpet so people don't get their arms ripped off with a tow rope? Don't we want to enhance the family/beginner/new skier experience for future revenue?

 

[slatham]

Marcski, I agreed, I just used poor wording. What I mean is once they have the funds to buy a lift it will come down to what type of high quality used lift is available. In otherwords, I doubt they wait for a Quad to come along if they find a good triple. Or that they decide they need a triple, only a triple, and wait years for a good one to be available. They need to be opportunistic based on ( high quality lift) availability. IMHO.

Magic, I have heard talk over the years of a magic carpet being a high priority. I mean, it's already named after the Mountian! They need one! But whether the new owners can (and want to) buy one this fall is a good question. But it would change the family with young kids dynamic considerably.

 

[Do Work]

Instead of a 3rd lift like green, how about a magic carpet so people don't get their arms ripped off with a tow rope? Don't we want to enhance the family/beginner/new skier experience for future revenue?

I'd LOVE to see a T-Bar in the old Rabbit Run learning area. It really is perfect over there. The pitch is wonderful for learning and it's completely secluded from the people flying down Hocus Pocus.

 

[skithetrees]

Fun fact, magic has purchased about 5 lifts over the last decade. All in various states of operation. None installed. Priority one after getting black running should be a beginners chair in the old area, provided they sort out the rights over there. Then replace back and only then the blue chair. The blue chair would be nice for families, I rode it a lot as a kid, but it is pretty low priority. Plus, I think there is little point opening with just that. Making snow at the base is what kills them early season as one bad day can get rid of it all. The stuff up high is much easier to make and keep early season. Plus they really need to blow up there anyway to keep it from getting skied off.

 

[marcski]

Magic should really look to how Plattekill has been and continues to be run. They are very analogous in their terrain, appeal, vibe and market share.

 

[roark]

imagine how much weed you would save if there was a single chair. not me of course, but you know, if that was your thing.

hippie confirmed.

 

[MMP]

hippie confirmed.

What were we talking about?

I'd LOVE to see a T-Bar in the old Rabbit Run learning area. It really is perfect over there. The pitch is wonderful for learning and it's completely secluded from the people flying down Hocus Pocus.

A covered magic carpet too. Did you hear about the time Rusty Groomer smashed into that elderly telemark skier in the beginner area. Killed him I think.

 

[MMP]

Magic should magic should magic should. Ahahahahahaha.

 

[steamboat1]

Maybe one or more of Smuggs lifts will become available.

 

[ScottySkis]

Magic should really look to how Plattekill has been and continues to be run. They are very analogous in their terrain, appeal, vibe and market share.

I agree and if I enough money I buy pass this year maybe it come s with tickets to magic and others to be annoced soon .just pick me if I stuck please in hopefully Nissan 2007 low low clearance car on rte 28 in snow storm. See you their in few months. Maybe he has told magic some lazz. Business ski school for these fantastic model for running places in black years in a row and over due.

 

[MMP]

Wel said