Whistler locked down after deadly shootout

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Two dead, two arrested in brazen Whistler shooting on Sunday | News

Two people have been killed and two people have been arrested after a shooting outside Whistler's Sundial Hotel on Sunday afternoon.

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“Our teams have resumed operations temporarily to allow guests to download the mountains and leave safely,”

looks more like asasination

 

[RichT]

GANGS!!! WTF?

 

[KustyTheKlown]

canada did an america!

 

[jimk]

Just curious, how many of you have had a close encounter with a mass shooting?
I was at the Washington Navy Yard on the day this happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

I was happy to see this, hope more of the same is coming: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/gun-control-bill-biden.html

 

[KustyTheKlown]

my better half was on a subway car where an altercation between two dudes resulted in one pulling a gun and flailing it wildly, but not discharging. she remains pretty traumatized about the subway. one of the reasons we chose to move to jersey city was because the path train sytem is a lot cleaner and less chaotic. personally, i have no fear of riding the subway, and consider the likelihood of being present for that sort of incident to be extremely low.

also was happy to see that bill but its a pretty watered down thing full of half measures.

 

[ss20]

Just curious, how many of you have had a close encounter with a mass shooting?
I was at the Washington Navy Yard on the day this happened:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting

I was happy to see this, hope more of the same is coming: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/25/us/politics/gun-control-bill-biden.html

My mother and I were nearly trampled in Penn Station on Good Friday, 2017 (iirc). Police had to taser someone and the sound of it set off a mass panic that resulted in a stampede. Keep in mind this was at rush hour right before Easter...huge travel day so the station was packed. 16 people ended up injured. I remember turning around and seeing a mass of people coming at me with suitcases and luggage literally flying. We turned to run but my mom couldn't really keep up as she's older and not in the best of shape. She got knocked down and I had to get her up while also blocking her from others running into us. That was the scariest part, getting run into by people knowing if I went down it could be over for me or at least injured, while also protecting my mom and helping her up. We ran a hundred feet or so and took cover inside of one of the businesses, a convivence store iirc. We hid in the back behind the shelves with 8-10 other people. In the heat of the moment that was pretty terrifying. Hiding behind a counter looking out into an empty lobby (high heels and suitcases all over), waiting for a person or persons to appear and start shooting. Luckily it turned out to be nothing, but at that moment you're fearing for your life- we didn't think it was happening, we thought ok it's actually happening. It's my only real experience where I felt the Fight or Flight instincts turn on and stay on for an extended period of time. It really is instinct. You don't think, you just run/do. And the adrenaline rush was something I'll never forget.

I can't really remember anything else after that. I remember the police didn't "clear" the area or anything, I guess we just wandered out after 10 or 15 minutes. Luckily there were already ambulances waiting outside for those who were injured (earlier that afternoon a train had gotten stuck in one of the tunnels and they were worried about people with the heat/fumes iirc).

It ended up making the local news and you can find clips/stories of it online.

My mom and I joke about it now. We call it "the day we went running" or she'll say "yeah my own son pushed me over- bastard tried getting his inheritance early". For a few years after that if I saw people in a crowded place running in a direction I'd get anxious like something was happening. I seem to have gotten over that, hasn't bothered me in a while.

 

[djd66]

All these stories are why I hate cities, especially NYC. I could never live there!

 

[KustyTheKlown]

All these stories are why I hate cities, especially NYC. I could never live there!

You’re more likely to be a victim of random gun violence in suburbs and rural places vs cities.

 

[JimG.]

All these stories are why I hate cities, especially NYC. I could never live there!

This is why I live with the farmers up in Dutchess county.

You’re more likely to be a victim of random gun violence in suburbs and rural places vs cities.

I don't agree with this unless you are talking about suburban cities like Yonkers or Poughkeepsie. Cities are cesspools.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

This is why I live with the farmers up in Dutchess county.

I don't agree with this unless you are talking about suburban cities like Yonkers or Poughkeepsie. Cities are cesspools.

“Most Americans live in cities, and cities are responsible for most of the nation’s gun homicides. It is incorrect, however, to characterize cities as uniquely susceptible to gun violence, and it is highly misleading to insert the adjectives “urban” or “city” before all mentions of gun violence. Using these terms to address American gun violence is an act of political rhetoric…”

“Of 33 states in this analysis, 21 failed to conform to the urban gun violence narrative. Gun homicides in those states are just as likely (often, more likely) to occur in small, rural communities (see Table 1).”

Gun Violence is not an "Urban" Problem - JohnJayREC.nyc — John Jay College's Research and Evaluation Center

by Jeffrey A. Butts JohnJayREC DataBits 2018-01 (revised Jan 2020) Policy debates about gun violence focus on cities. Every year, when federal law enforcement authorities release the latest compilation of U.S. violent crime statistics, news media across the country publish stories ranking cities...

johnjayrec.nyc

Aside from that data, anecdotally, almost every mass shooting is like suburban mall, rural school, suburban movie theatre, etc.

The young white unsexed loser boys who commit mass shootings don’t live in cities. They live in grandmas basement in the sticks. If they lived in a city and had careers and romantic prospects they wouldn’t go and shoot up rural/suburban public gathering places

The chances of being a random bystander of targeted inter gang violence is basically nil in neighborhoods you’d actually visit.

 

[Smellytele]

“Most Americans live in cities, and cities are responsible for most of the nation’s gun homicides. It is incorrect, however, to characterize cities as uniquely susceptible to gun violence, and it is highly misleading to insert the adjectives “urban” or “city” before all mentions of gun violence. Using these terms to address American gun violence is an act of political rhetoric…”

“Of 33 states in this analysis, 21 failed to conform to the urban gun violence narrative. Gun homicides in those states are just as likely (often, more likely) to occur in small, rural communities (see Table 1).”

Gun Violence is not an "Urban" Problem - JohnJayREC.nyc — John Jay College's Research and Evaluation Center

by Jeffrey A. Butts JohnJayREC DataBits 2018-01 (revised Jan 2020) Policy debates about gun violence focus on cities. Every year, when federal law enforcement authorities release the latest compilation of U.S. violent crime statistics, news media across the country publish stories ranking cities...

johnjayrec.nyc

Aside from that data, anecdotally, almost every mass shooting is like suburban mall, rural school, suburban movie theatre, etc.

The young white unsexed loser boys who commit mass shootings don’t live in cities. They live in grandmas basement in the sticks. If they lived in a city and had careers and romantic prospects they wouldn’t go and shoot up rural/suburban public gathering places

The chances of being a random bystander of targeted inter gang violence is basically nil in neighborhoods you’d actually visit.

The article shows a map where it says in NY and Mass (all the Northeast with data) gun violence is associated with "urban" living.
Also states "Most Americans live in cities, and cities are responsible for most of the nation’s gun homicides."

 

[KustyTheKlown]

The article shows a map where it says in NY and Mass (all the Northeast with data) gun violence is associated with "urban" living.
Also states "Most Americans live in cities, and cities are responsible for most of the nation’s gun homicides."

Yes but the article also doesn’t make a distinction between random gun violence and non-random. Mass shootings where you randomly get popped at the grocery store are not an urban phenomenon. And in huge swaths of the country, the overall rate is higher outside of urban centers. Including the states that house Chicago and Los Angeles.

Also, “most” is a purely numerical value and is used to introduce the article. Yes, most people live in cities therefore most gun violence occurs there. That doesn’t say anything about rates per capita. Which is what the article and data delve into, to rebut the misconception that you’re more likely to experience gun violence in *most* urban areas relative to most non urban areas

The chance of being a victim in a quintessentially American mass shooting increases outside of urban cores

 

[Smellytele]

The article does go into rates per capita. That is what the map is showing. Strange that they are trying to show that it isn’t in urban areas but have facts saying it is. Well in the northeast where we all live.

 

[cdskier]

The article does go into rates per capita. That is what the map is showing. Strange that they are trying to show that it isn’t in urban areas but have facts saying it is. Well in the northeast where we all live.

This article and the data they use is extremely confusing and doesn't particularly make sense to me.

"Of 33 states in this analysis, 21 failed to conform to the urban gun violence narrative. Gun homicides in those states are just as likely (often, more likely) to occur in small, rural communities (see Table 1)."

Yet if we look at some of the data from Table 1 for "non-conforming" states, I don't particularly see why some of them are "non-conforming". Here's Virginia for example:

The 2nd column indicates "% urban" for the county. So of the 5 counties in VA with the highest per capita gun homicide rates, they all look pretty damn urban to me. Why is this considered "non-conforming" to the "most gun homicides occur in cities" narrative?

Here's California...


Again, the top 5 counties in CA with the highest per capita gun homicide rates are overwhelmingly urban counties.

What am I missing here that makes these states "non-conforming" to the narrative? The data the article itself presents doesn't seem to support the conclusion the author is claiming it does. (Yes there legitimately are some states that seem to belong in the non-conforming category like the Carolinas where the highest per capita gun homicide rates are in counties with <50% urban rates).

This data is also not an apples to apples comparison since each state can create counties however they want. NYC is part of 5 separate counties for example (which is going to result in extremely high % urban rates for those counties). Yet Los Angles is part of Los Angeles county along with many other surrounding towns/cities. So that drives the % urban rate of the county LA is part of down overall.

 

[thebigo]

Thread got me looking for a connection, found the link below. Going to exclude Hawaii as it is likely a special case. Without spending half a day analyzing the data, the top ten states with least mass shootings over a six year period have some commonalities: all cold weather states and all constitutional carry states.

Mass Shootings by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

 

[BodeMiller1]

You’re more likely to be a victim of random gun violence in suburbs and rural places vs cities.

No, that's actually not even close to true.

Butt, you may be right.

Crime statistics is a weird game. You can make numbers look however you want. Butt, if the Feds are tracking anything without an angle, crime should be it.

 

[BodeMiller1]

I find that if I'm living "on top of" others it makes me more stabby.
Add the heat islands and it;s over.

What I do know is: Congress purposely does not track firearms data. For one, it's impossible, two - the conservatives hold back funds. For example, gun sales are kept track of on paper...

In The State of New Hampshire hunter's who use guns were not ticked and tied against The Federal Felon list. This is according to Peter "Scoop" Leahy, Esq.

File under sad butt true.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

more - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...re-dangerous-than-rural-america?sref=qzusa8bC

"The overall lesson seems to be that the more urban your surroundings, the less danger you face. High homicide rates in some cities mean that the central counties in large metropolitan areas are on the whole slightly more dangerous than the suburban counties, but that’s the only exception. The risk of death from truly external causes, as defined here, is three times higher in rural and small-town America than in the country’s largest city."

but keep believing that you're going to be shot the second you step into nyc

boston and NYC are actually two of the safest places you can be, taking a broader list of causes of death into account (not just homicide):



most dangerous areas are Baltimore, followed by a list of garbage ass rural locales, admittedly clustered in the south, not the northeast. hopefully we can agree that the southern united states is a garbage region with no skiing.

 

[Smellytele]

more - https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/a...re-dangerous-than-rural-america?sref=qzusa8bC

"The overall lesson seems to be that the more urban your surroundings, the less danger you face. High homicide rates in some cities mean that the central counties in large metropolitan areas are on the whole slightly more dangerous than the suburban counties, but that’s the only exception. The risk of death from truly external causes, as defined here, is three times higher in rural and small-town America than in the country’s largest city."

but keep believing that you're going to be shot the second you step into nyc

boston and NYC are actually two of the safest places you can be, taking a broader list of causes of death into account (not just homicide):

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most dangerous areas are Baltimore, followed by a list of garbage ass rural locales, admittedly clustered in the south, not the northeast. hopefully we can agree that the southern united states is a garbage region with no skiing.

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That isn't just shootings that is all (or most) external causes. Assuming that includes car accidents as well. And the damn thing says Metro areas. Not the size of New York but nothing is.

Agree the south is a messed up place but think NY is as well.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

ya, i'm not hiding that these stats are more than shootings. this article takes a broader view of all causes of death, only excluding a few things listed on both charts (suicide, overdose, etc). the take-away of this particular article (which i admit is different than my initial point re: mass shooting risk), is that you are by and large safer from external death in cities than non-cities. this does include auto-accidents, which have their own chart if you click thru the article. the conclusion is you're less likely to die from external causes in cities.

and 'metro areas' encompasses tons of suburban and rural towns. look at the most dangerous places graphic. no major city is anchoring most of those 'metro areas'