Whistler locked down after deadly shootout

[djd66]

Krusty, clearly you like city living. You can claim it’s safer statistically all you want and you may be right.

I never lock my doors, I can walk around my town at 2:00 am and I have never heard of any muggings (ever) in my town - never mind gangs.

I would never be able to feel that way in NYC.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

i dont lock the door to my apartment. granted its in a secure building where randoms cant pass the lobby.

i walk around high on drugs and five sheets to the wind at 5 AM. no problems.

so far i haven't been mugged or ever remotely felt like i was going to be mugged. 16 years of city living and counting. 20 if we include college in DC.

the fears are dramatically overblown.

i am reasonably more fearful of being gunned down by some suburban 18 year old incel with a rampant 4chan habit, than i am of being attacked by random evil-doers on city streets.

 

[djd66]

50 + years of suburban living- I’ve never gunned down by any gunman. I’ve also never encountered rats or cock roaches and all the noise that comes with living in a city, but hey,.. what do I know.

 

[deadheadskier]

I recently started working in NYC and will be down there 4-6 days a month for the foreseeable future. I use the subway to get around because cars are so inefficient down there. I've got friends and coworkers who think I'm nuts for riding the NYC Subway. I may keep my eyes open and looking for signs of potential trouble a little bit more than at home in New Hampshire, but I certainly don't feel unsafe. I typically stay in Brooklyn.

 

[MadPadraic]

Thread got me looking for a connection, found the link below. Going to exclude Hawaii as it is likely a special case. Without spending half a day analyzing the data, the top ten states with least mass shootings over a six year period have some commonalities: all cold weather states and all constitutional carry states.

Mass Shootings by State 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

A quick perusal showed these numbers in nominal (counting) rather than per-capita. You could also point out that those states have the least amount of pasta consumed, but it won't really tell you much about the dietary habits of those states.

 

[MadPadraic]

Krusty, clearly you like city living. You can claim it’s safer statistically all you want and you may be right.

I never lock my doors, I can walk around my town at 2:00 am and I have never heard of any muggings (ever) in my town - never mind gangs.

I would never be able to feel that way in NYC.

I never had any trouble walking around at 2am in NYC. Granted, a wee bit of local knowledge helps with ones comfort level.

 

[thebigo]

A quick perusal showed these numbers in nominal (counting) rather than per-capita. You could also point out that those states have the least amount of pasta consumed, but it won't really tell you much about the dietary habits of those states.

Also plotted mass shootings as a function of population. Among large states, California, Pennsylvania and Florida roughly track the trendline; Texas and New York both track safer, approximately on the same line. Illinois is alone on an island of mass shootings. Need to mow the lawn now but interested to plot per capita and as a function of density. Delaware appears to have a per capita mass shooting rate roughly an order of magnitude greater than the average state. Will also look into pasta consumption, if I have time.

 

[Smellytele]

Mass shooting definition has been discussed here before. I am more concerned with random mass shootings. Unfortunately someone shooting their whole family then themselves is still called a mass shooting and included in the stats. Believe most reports of mass shootings in these studies include 3 or more people as a mass shooting.

 

[cdskier]

Mass shooting definition has been discussed here before. I am more concerned with random mass shootings. Unfortunately someone shooting their whole family then themselves is still called a mass shooting and included in the stats. Believe most reports of mass shootings in these studies include 3 or more people as a mass shooting.

Typically it is 4 or more (most studies/definitions/stats exclude the shooter as part of the 4...and some count injured not just killed as part of the 4).

But yes, the example you mention would typically be included in the stats if it was a large enough family. Although of course still important to also remember that "mass shootings" only account for about 1-2% of overall gun deaths per year in the US.

 

[kancamagus]

There are sketchy urban areas. There are sketchy suburban areas. There are sketchy rural areas.

There are also nice / safe urban areas. There are nice / safe suburban areas. There are nice / safe rural areas.

On average, most of the northeastern states (urban and rural counties) and midwest (rural counties) have way below national average gun deaths per capita. Vermont and New Hampshire have higher per capita gun deaths than New York, Connecticut, or Massachusetts, but suicides are a non trivial portion of those deaths. Per capita homicides spike in some urban areas, but not all. E.g. there are huge red homicide zones in the counties around St Louis or Chicago or Detroit or Houston, but not in the counties around Boston or SLC or Minneapolis. Most of the rural south and southwest also have high homicide rates on par with high crime urban areas on a per-capita basis. The safest state in terms of per capita gun deaths is Massachusetts.

 

[BodeMiller1]

ya, i'm not hiding that these stats are more than shootings. this article takes a broader view of all causes of death, only excluding a few things listed on both charts (suicide, overdose, etc). the take-away of this particular article (which i admit is different than my initial point re: mass shooting risk), is that you are by and large safer from external death in cities than non-cities. this does include auto-accidents, which have their own chart if you click thru the article. the conclusion is you're less likely to die from external causes in cities.

and 'metro areas' encompasses tons of suburban and rural towns. look at the most dangerous places graphic. no major city is anchoring most of those 'metro areas'

Mr. Klown,
I'm sold, nice post,

In my world it's scary to see Manchester - Nashua ahead of Boston - Cambridge.

 

[BodeMiller1]

I've lived in very dangerous parts of Baltimore, Boston and those kinds of places. I'm an accountant so I travel - (plus I ski ). In large cities people take care of their neighbors. If people are trying to hurt / rob you, the best defense is a good neighbor. The police cannot be everywhere...

Ironically, it's the same in "God's Country" as most people are armed and help can be hours away. Whistler / Blackomb is at the top of my list of places to hit. Looks like it has it all.

Meow

 

[MadPadraic]

50 + years of suburban living- I’ve never gunned down by any gunman. I’ve also never encountered rats or cock roaches and all the noise that comes with living in a city, but hey,.. what do I know.

My initial reaction to this was that you've missed out on a lot of fun by not having the city noises around you, but that felt trolly. We had cockroaches in two of our Manhattan apartments. They were gross, but a very worthwhile trade for the quality of life that the city provided. I know of a suburb of Boston which has a huge rat problem (though it is a fairly urban bit of said-suburb).

My personal issues with the burbs are:
(1) From the "raising a family" perspective: I noticed in college that the kids who grew up in the city were better adjusted than those coming from the suburbs. (I grew up in the burbs FWIW). Clearly this is a very personal thing.

(2) I don't like the car-centric lifestyle. I prefer doing tiny grocery shoppings to figure out what is fresh over the huge weekly supermarket runs. The whole drinking and driving thing in the MA burbs is scary. Walking to dinner is almost as much fun as the meal itself, etc etc. Urban parks are hard to beat for their beauty and ambiance.

From a safety perspective, I've only been a victim of violent crime once, and it happened to happen in an affluent suburb of Providence. Once does not make a trend and is only an anecdote.

 

[deadheadskier]

Most rats I've ever seen have been in Danvers, Mass. Second most in Brookline. Once it gets dark, the alleys of both towns are full of them.

 

[thebigo]

Cannot ever remember feeling unsafe in any US or Canadian city, southern Europe is a different story.

Least safe I ever felt in the USA is probably the NH state park behind the house. Was hiking with my dog several years back in early spring, came around a corner to see a large bear at maybe 10 - 15 yards. Bear stood up on its hind legs, sized us up and must have decided there were easier meals in the forest to fill her stomach. That dog was a stray with a high prey drive and off leash, froze when she saw the bear.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

Cannot ever remember feeling unsafe in any US or Canadian city, southern Europe is a different story.

Least safe I ever felt in the USA is probably the NH state park behind the house. Was hiking with my dog several years back in early spring, came around a corner to see a large bear at maybe 10 - 15 yards. Bear stood up on its hind legs, sized us up and must have decided there were easier meals in the forest to fill her stomach. That dog was a stray with a high prey drive and off leash, froze when she saw the bear.

getting dropped off by a taxi in the tenderloin district of san francisco in broad weekend daylight is probably the most unsafe i have felt in an American city. san francisco says 'hold my beer' to east coast homelessness, drug addiction, and mental illness.

 

[deadheadskier]

getting dropped off by a taxi in the tenderloin district of san francisco in broad weekend daylight is probably the most unsafe i have felt in an American city. san francisco says 'hold my beer' to east coast homelessness, drug addiction, and mental illness.

Probably similar to methadone mile in Boston. I took my former Boss walking through there one time and he was gripping his pen like a prison shank.

 

[ss20]

I've enjoyed my time in Utah but the homelessness here in plain sight has been equal to that of NYC. Every other freeway ramp has panhandlers on it. Took my car in for an oil change downtown, took a mile walk and back, probably saw 20ish homeless people in that timespan. Not something I was expecting. Not saying its unsafe though.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

i find that it actually blends in more here. you see people set up on the sidewalks in NYC, but you don't see full on encampments. the tenderloin is a tent city in a downtown san Francisco neighborhood. and the underpass tent cities you see in western cities arent here in NYC.

 

[JimG.]

Great discussion! Wow I was right that the data would be flying left and right.

I'm not a city boy and never have been even though I grew up in Yonkers 15 minutes north of the Bronx. I hate cities mostly because I just don't like being packed in with so many other people. Probably why I hate flying and airports too. I'll take fresh air and open spaces thanks.