Bumps on a board

[ski_industry_enthusiast]

Yes indeed my comments were directed towards ski industry enthusiast.
And thank you Jim G for your support.

Ok, I don't want to turn this into an immature ski vs. snowboard argument... I'd like to think the members of this board are above that. But I have to ask you, knuckledragger, if you read both of my posts. And, if you did, then (correct me if I'm wrong) what you're saying is that you advocate bad/beginner riders AND* skiers tearing up bumps on trails way beyond their ability level. Not only does this make for a bad experience for the upper level skiers AND riders on the trail, but it also puts the bad/beginner skiers AND* riders in danger.

I'll repeat it again... I have nothing against riders in the bumps! Don't take it that way! I only have something against inexperienced/beginner riders AND* skiers pushing themselves way too far on bump trails.

Anyways... it doesn't really matter. The snow is great and the skiing and riding is phenomenal. Let's just all get out and enjoy, on one OR* two boards. :beer: Cheers!

*yes, I very intentionally stressed these words!

 

[knuckledragger]

I did read both of your posts and I seemed to catch an us vs them attitude. I really do not want to go there. I was responding to a rider looking for advice.
I am for people that pay good money for a lift ticket to go where they want as long as they do not put themselves or others in peril. Last time I checked I did not see anyones name on any bump I have ever been on. Sometimes you need to over stretch your capabilities to advance. I am all for a person advancing and sometimes you have to get over your head.
It was never my intent to take this to an us against them, flaming post. That's why I will never join in another MRG boarder thread, it's just not worth getting that worked up over, and neither is this.

 

[ski_industry_enthusiast]

Agreed.

 

[dmc]

Bumps...

this got me thinking of the bumps on the headwall at Tucks a couple years back...

I was escorting a couple friends down the Lip... I usually stay away from the Lip area but it's the easiest way down the Headwall so there i was...

The day was warm.. The snow was flowing fast..
the moguls on the steep section were pretty big but due to the flowing snow - they turned from moguls to sharp edged pyramids with sharp troughs...

Crazy stuff... Just kinda survived my way through and cursed at my friends in the Chute...

 

[JimG.]

I did read both of your posts and I seemed to catch an us vs them attitude. I really do not want to go there. I was responding to a rider looking for advice.
I am for people that pay good money for a lift ticket to go where they want as long as they do not put themselves or others in peril. Last time I checked I did not see anyones name on any bump I have ever been on. Sometimes you need to over stretch your capabilities to advance. I am all for a person advancing and sometimes you have to get over your head.
It was never my intent to take this to an us against them, flaming post. That's why I will never join in another MRG boarder thread, it's just not worth getting that worked up over, and neither is this.

I had to go back and re-read what was written. I just kind of responded to knuckledragger's post, I didn't mean to pile on or cause any boarder/skier wars. I see what ski industry enthusiast is trying to say and it's more along the lines of not skiing over your head. I can't disagree with that in principle. I also agree with knuckledragger that you sometimes have to push the envelope to progress and get in over your head a little, just not too much. Whatever, not worth a big argument over.

My point was less the boarder/skier thing and more against the snow nazi thing...people telling others how they should or should not ski certain terrain or snow conditions. I'm not into the possessive attitude some folks have about snow. You go out, you ski. And yes, when I instructed I coached people and gave them tips and advice...but I never ragged on them for missing turns in bumps or skidding a little in powder. We were all beginners at one time.

 

[AdironRider]

I ride with my girl mostly, who rips on skis, so Ive gotten pretty good at the bumps. Believe you me, I see at least twice as many crappy skiers in the bumps than crappy boarders, and for the most part I think that has to do with the fact that snowboarders never really go in them. Bad skiers though seem to do much more damage. If anything, boarders help you out by getting rid of those super steep troughs. In fact, Whiteface when they seed their bumps often sends boarders down (sideslipping) to get rid of the nastyness and make em smooth. Seems odd to me but it must work.

 

[2knees]

I see what ski industry enthusiast is trying to say and it's more along the lines of not skiing over your head. I can't disagree with that in principle. I also agree with knuckledragger that you sometimes have to push the envelope to progress and get in over your head a little, just not too much.

lol, you'd make a GREAT politician. :smile:

 

[jack97]

I see what ski industry enthusiast is trying to say and it's more along the lines of not skiing over your head. I can't disagree with that in principle. I also agree with knuckledragger that you sometimes have to push the envelope to progress and get in over your head a little, just not too much.

lol, you'd make a GREAT politician. :smile:

i rather be involved in a flame war. this talk about bumping and not able to go out is killing me.


just kidding about the flaming. another thing to keep in mind is that not all places will leave bumps on gentler pitches. the bumps are usually on the steep pitches or on a narrow section at the side of the trail, a trial by fire scenario. i'm alot more tolerant of people going beyond their comfort zone.

 

[MadPadraic]

ILast time I checked I did not see anyones name on any bump I have ever been on.

On Tuesday, March 16th, I intend to carve my name into the 3rd bump from the skiers right edge of the trail in the second to last row of the bumps on the first drop after the cattrack to Avalanche on Polly's at Cannon. Please look for this, and feel free to ride this claimed bump.

In the event of icky ice on Polly's extension, I may wimp out and write it in a similar location on Rocket. Also, you may look for Wee Thomas's name as well.

 

[jack97]

Bad skiers though seem to do much more damage. If anything, boarders help you out by getting rid of those super steep troughs. In fact, Whiteface when they seed their bumps often sends boarders down (sideslipping) to get rid of the nastyness and make em smooth. Seems odd to me but it must work.

i've seen patrollers flattening down sections by practicing with their sled.

btw, the sideslipping is a common practice. two weeks ago, sunapee had a freestyle comp, before they started, members of the home team slipped the course to smooth out the cliffs/deep troughs.

sometimes i see riders do the same, get high on the back side and slip it on the side or to the frontside on the bump.

 

[dmc]

I'm kinda teaching a friend how to ride right now.

He asked about riding moguls... i told him to try and stay on the tops where all the snow is... And that on a big bump you can get a couple turns off on the top...

Changed his whole outlook...

 

[MadPadraic]

I'm kinda teaching a friend how to ride right now.

He asked about riding moguls... i told him to try and stay on the tops where all the snow is... And that on a big bump you can get a couple turns off on the top...

Changed his whole outlook...

A couple? How big are these bumps? I often have to do a jump turn to make sure my back foot comes around.

 

[dmc]

A couple? How big are these bumps? I often have to do a jump turn to make sure my back foot comes around.

Big... You can get off a couple turns in a 6 foot space to check speed..

 

[JimG.]

another thing to keep in mind is that not all places will leave bumps on gentler pitches. the bumps are usually on the steep pitches or on a narrow section at the side of the trail, a trial by fire scenario. i'm alot more tolerant of people going beyond their comfort zone.

Excellent point.

I'm not a boarder so I guess I'm kind of stuck on the periphery of this topic, but I have taught skiing and having to tackle 2 or more terrain (bumps, steep, trees) or snow (ice, slush, powder) challenges is usually too much to ask someone who is learning something.

So, my best advice about learning to board on bumps would be to find some low angle ones to play around in, then look for steeper terrain with bumps once you get it.

 

[KevinF]

Big... You can get off a couple turns in a 6 foot space to check speed..

How many turns can you get off in six feet??? Even at 10mph, you're travelling at about 15 feet a second. Your six feet are gone in less then a half-second. I've got to be missing something here.

 

[cbcbd]

How many turns can you get off in six feet??? Even at 10mph, you're travelling at about 15 feet a second. Your six feet are gone in less then a half-second. I've got to be missing something here.

Considering that some bumps can be pretty close together and you usually have to pull off quick turns between them 6' sounds reasonable for turning twice - not a full carve but just a quick transfer to the other edge and back can help with control and speed - or also to alter your line while on top of a bump.
I'm no expert bumper, but just something I've noticed.

 

[dmc]

How many turns can you get off in six feet??? Even at 10mph, you're travelling at about 15 feet a second. Your six feet are gone in less then a half-second. I've got to be missing something here.

Whatever...

When I'm flying and looking to check speed i can knock out quick turns on the top of a bump...

 

[dmc]

not a full carve but just a quick transfer to the other edge and back can help with control and speed - or also to alter your line while on top of a bump.
I'm no expert bumper, but just something I've noticed.

Yup...
just check turns...

 

[wintersyndrome]

In a perfect world, If Im intending to do bumps I would use the shorter of my boards, (Morrow Escape 153) especially for bumps on Castlerock peak after 2 weeks of no snow. Other than that though I prefer to ride all mountain and gladed terrain so I'm normally on the larger board (Palmer Honeypro 157).
Overall I find myself doing jump turns when I'm 'in the groove' intersperced with some check turns for speed control and angle adjustments. I also prefer the bumps toward trail edges where you can find better snow...though I still enjoy a good bump run now and again-I dont go out searching for them because Im not as proficient with bumps as I would like to be and there is always that thought in the back of my mind that im pissing off some skier above me.

That being said and I have more fun at high speeds carving big fat turns