How is Belleayre operating minus

[catskillman]

all those employees????????

 

[deadheadskier]

more profitably?

 

[dmc]

No offense to those being laid off - but if they don't take seasonal - those job will be scooped up by others in the valley..

 

[catskills]

No offense to those being laid off - but if they don't take seasonal - those job will be scooped up by others in the valley..

Yeah that's what this country needs is more seasonal jobs that is impossible to feed yourself and provide a roof to live under with no health benefits. :sad:

Whats the difference between a pizza and a seasonal Belleayre employee. A pizza will feed a family of four.

DMC the sad thing is your probably correct. That doesn't mean its a good thing to do.

When will Bob Cratchit get a weekly salary which would help him become a self-sufficient member of society and afford medical care to save his son Tiny Tim's life? Thanks to Gov Patterson, not this year.

 

[dmc]

Yeah that's what this country needs is more seasonal jobs that is impossible to feed yourself and provide a roof to live under with no health benefits. :sad:

Whats the difference between a pizza and a seasonal Belleayre employee. A pizza will feed a family of four.

DMC the sad thing is your probably correct. That doesn't mean its a good thing to do.

When will Bob Cratchit get a weekly salary which would help him become a self-sufficient member of society and afford medical care to save his son Tiny Tim's life? Thanks to Gov Patterson, not this year.

Will they be offered COBRA benefits?
Do state employees get unemployment?

I thought originally you guys said they would get benefits for seasonal? And I also read they would still get like 45 weeks of employment?


There's just too much varying information coming from that valley... I don't know what to believe... Everyones pushing feelings but no facts... Can't get behind this as a person thats been laid off and taken pay cuts without really knowing what the deal is..

 

[o3jeff]

Welcome to the real world! Having been laid off before myself I know it sucks, I have no unions protecting my job and don't want or need them knowing that I come into work everyday, do the best I can, company makes a profit, I keep my job. Times are tough everywhere. We're on a skeleton crew here since we cut a few people the weren't carrying their weight here which makes my job a lot tougher, but I'm not complaining.

 

[dmc]

Thats another thing... There are 2 unions at Belleayre.. WTF are they doing? I haven't heard boo from the unions in any of this..

 

[deadheadskier]

Yeah that's what this country needs is more seasonal jobs that is impossible to feed yourself and provide a roof to live under with no health benefits. :sad:

I left working in skitowns because I wanted more than a seasonal job and health benefits. No one is forcing those folks to work in that capacity.

 

[millerm277]

Yeah that's what this country needs is more seasonal jobs that is impossible to feed yourself and provide a roof to live under with no health benefits. :sad:

If you don't want a seasonal job, you don't work in a seasonal industry. I don't think amusement park workers are year round with benefits either. If there are no jobs but seasonal industry in your area, you move if you don't like it, or find a way into one of the extremely few high-level/skill positions that aren't seasonal.

The ski industry on it's own is the very definition of a seasonal business, it can only operate part of the year. Off the top of my head, the only place with summer operations even capable of employing the number of people they employ in the winter is probably Camelback with their huge waterpark.

 

[dmc]

Blizzard of free state ski lift tickets buries two private Catskills centers
By BRIAN NEARING Staff Writer
Published: 12:00 a.m., Wednesday, December 8, 2010

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

According to Belleayre records, Belleayre gave away nearly 16,000 free tickets last year, out of about 169,000 skier visits, and posted a $1 million operating loss. The year before, Belleayre gave away about 16,700 free tickets out of 154,700 skier visits and posted a $76,000 operating loss.

The state Department of Environmental Conservation, which has operated Belleayre for 40 years, said the free tickets were about 7 percent of the total -- a figure that would still be about triple what a private ski mountain might do. It was not immediately clear why the figures differed.

 

[snafu]

Blizzard of free state ski lift tickets buries two private Catskills centers
By BRIAN NEARING Staff Writer
Published: 12:00 a.m., Wednesday, December 8, 2010

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

Quote:
According to Belleayre records, Belleayre gave away nearly 16,000 free tickets last year, out of about 169,000 skier visits, and posted a $1 million operating loss. The year before, Belleayre gave away about 16,700 free tickets out of 154,700 skier visits and posted a $76,000 operating loss.

The state Department of Environmental Conservation, which has operated Belleayre for 40 years, said the free tickets were about 7 percent of the total -- a figure that would still be about triple what a private ski mountain might do. It was not immediately clear why the figures differed.

Didn't read the article but this quote basically says it all - it was a money loser and would be out of business if it was not a state run facility with what public unions think is a bottomless pit full of taxpayer cash. Hopefully now they will at least break even.
_

 

[mondeo]

Yeah that's what this country needs is more seasonal jobs that is impossible to feed yourself and provide a roof to live under with no health benefits. :sad:

Whats the difference between a pizza and a seasonal Belleayre employee. A pizza will feed a family of four.

DMC the sad thing is your probably correct. That doesn't mean its a good thing to do.

When will Bob Cratchit get a weekly salary which would help him become a self-sufficient member of society and afford medical care to save his son Tiny Tim's life? Thanks to Gov Patterson, not this year.

Boo freaking hoo. Are you saying I should be able to make a living popping air bubble sheets just because that's what I want to do? If they aren't adding any value, they shouldn't be employed.

Why do you want state residents to spend an additinal, say, $2 million in taxes just so some people can sit around all summer? Wouldn't that $2 million be better spent paying those same people to do something productive? Or paying other people who would be otherwise unemployed to do something productive? It's like you're pretending the money to pay these people just comes out of thin air and the increase in taxes needed to cover the wages has no impact on anything else.

 

[threecy]

Blizzard of free state ski lift tickets buries two private Catskills centers
By BRIAN NEARING Staff Writer
Published: 12:00 a.m., Wednesday, December 8, 2010

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Blizzard-of-free-state-ski-lift-tickets-buries-867330.php

Amazing, but not surprising. Thank you for sharing. It'd be interesting to see the press release this data in regard to government operated ski areas in New England (Cannon/Gunstock).

 

[deadheadskier]

If Cannon employed 55 FT staff and was losing a million a year, I might switch my stance

Gunstock is country owned and operated. I don't have a dog in that race

 

[neil]

I wonder how many of these FT staff had extra jobs during the summer when there was no work for them.

 

[gmcunni]

where can i score some free tix to Belleayre?

 

[drjeff]

where can i score some free tix to Belleayre?

Charlie Rangel?

 

[threecy]

I wonder how many of these FT staff had extra jobs during the summer when there was no work for them.

On which side of the table?

 

[Rambo]

where can i score some free tix to Belleayre?

New York State Fair - DEC building usually has complimentary passes.

 

[zinger3000]

where can i score some free tix to Belleayre?

I often ski free on my birthday at Belleayre (just show them your driver's license on your birthday, and it's free!) If your birthday is not during the ski season, they assign a different month to you that they are open (for example, if your birthday is in May, you ski free on that date in December.)

http://www.belleayre.com/company/calendar.htm
scroll down a bit, look for the blue box on the right.

Not sure what percentage of the free tickets this covers