Binding inserts

[Puck it]

Saw those when they first came out but I can't be bothered. When I want to ski, I want to ski. I don't want to have to unscrew and rescrew in a different binding. It is a great idea. But I don't need a quiver killer... I actually like having a quiver.

I will be doing it on three skis with two pairs of Barons. I should have to do it twice during the year. Not much of a bother IMHO.

The owner stated the inserts were tested and were stronger then std. binding screws. Hecis sending the info.

 

[jimmywilson69]

Anybody interested in these? http://runmfd.com/

It allows you to adapt alpine bindings for AT travel. Looks promising for the sidecountry.

Isn't that the same thing as the Apline Trekker?

http://www.backcountry.com/backcountry-access-alpine-trekker-adaptors

 

[Puck it]

Isn't that the same thing as the Apline Trekker?

http://www.backcountry.com/backcountry-access-alpine-trekker-adaptors

Not quite. The whole binding moves with the other. Alpine trekker allows just the boot to move.

 

[snowmonster]

Considerations against Alpine Trekkers include a higher stand height off the ski while skinning and additional weight to carry around in the pack. However, it is a cheaper alternative to getting a full AT set-up. Some dedicated tourers swear by it.

I'm very intrigued by the MFD bindings. However, I'd like to wait a while and gather more beta on these before seriously considering them. I tend to be skittish about bindings inserts or other boot or tech inserts. It's scary to think that a bunch of screws are what's standing between me and terrible injury -- or worse. I've heard too many stories of after-market gear equipment failures. When I choose bindings, I usually go for what's solidly constructed and bomb-proof. I'd trade off weight on the way up for security on the way down.

 

[Cannonball]

It's scary to think that a bunch of screws are what's standing between me and terrible injury -- or worse.

What bindings are you currently using that aren't just a bunch of screws between you and your ski?

 

[snowmonster]

^ I should have said it differently. What I should have said is that, since there's just a bunch of screws between me and injury, I'd like to be secure in the thought that those screws hold tight/don't fail/are bomber. It's the reason I wait a few seasons for the binding to get tested. I'd like them to get the kinks out of the system before I step into them. My AT rigs have Marker Dukes on them. Been pretty solid so far.

I hope I said it better.

 

[Puck it]

^ I should have said it differently. What I should have said is that, since there's just a bunch of screws between me and injury, I'd like to be secure in the thought that those screws hold tight/don't fail/are bomber. It's the reason I wait a few seasons for the binding to get tested. I'd like them to get the kinks out of the system before I step into them. My AT rigs have Marker Dukes on them. Been pretty solid so far.

I hope I said it better.

I asked the owner for the test results. I will post if he provides it.

 

[jimmywilson69]

Not quite. The whole binding moves with the other. Alpine trekker allows just the boot to move.

okay. yeah that is much better.

 

[snowmonster]

I asked the owner for the test results. I will post if he provides it.

Let me know what they say. Thanks.

 

[Cannonball]

^ I should have said it differently. What I should have said is that, since there's just a bunch of screws between me and injury, I'd like to be secure in the thought that those screws hold tight/don't fail/are bomber. It's the reason I wait a few seasons for the binding to get tested. I'd like them to get the kinks out of the system before I step into them. My AT rigs have Marker Dukes on them. Been pretty solid so far.

I hope I said it better.

Sure, I knew what you were saying and wasn't really trying to dog on you for saying it. But I've always felt that the screws holding a binding on were the sketchiest part of the whole set up. Fortunately DIN allows your boot to break free of the binding before the binding rips off the ski. But the screws are usually the least accessible/testable part of the binding. We all just trust that they're in there properly doing their job.

With snowboard binding screws....and now these inserts, you can easily visually inspect their condition whenever you want. And you can make adjustments/repairs if needed. I see this potentially being the long-term standard for ski-binding mounting. The hard part will be standardizing binding manufacture across brands such that screw position is the same and any binding could be traded out for any other.

FWIW: Quiver Killer's FAQs say:
"What is the pull-out strength of a Quiver Killer?
This has been independently tested: regular binding screw = 280 kg force, Quiver Killer = 400 kg force!"

 

[Puck it]

Let me know what they say. Thanks.

Specs are somewhere.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Puderluder-Binding-Inserts/139741112715144

Normal binding screw pullls out at 280kg of force.

Quiverkiller inserts at 400kg.

 

[Black Phantom]

Specs are somewhere.

 

[Black Phantom]

Specs are here.

 

[Glenn]

It looks very similar to a nutsert or threaded insert. Or, a snowboard mounting system. In theory, it should work just fine. I'd think you'd want the ski engineered for that system vs the tranditional mount.

The only thing I don't like about that product is how you install it. The small wrench with two nuts as a guide seems to open the door for making a mistake. Maybe they'll fab up a jig system down the road.

Personally, this system wouldn't do much for me. I can't think of a time when I've ever said "Gee, I wish I had different bindings right now". However, if skis came with this as OEM and you had multiple mounting points; traditional, forward, back ect, then I could see it being handy. Hitting the park? Mount them more centered. Same skis, out of the park...mount them back....

 

[Puck it]

I installed these into my Prophetes last night. First couple holes I used the 1/4" drill. I did not like how the tap was tapping the hole. The insert felt like it did not have a lot of bite to it. I switched to one size lower drill bit. Much better insert bite after tapping. I epoxied all inserts in and they are curing. I used little more epoxy in the holes. I will install binding tonight and test with the boots in the binding. I will also put the boots on a lean forward since the holes in qestions are on the rear binding mount. If this holds I will further test when the snow flies before doing anymore skis. The Palmers will get std. binding screws for now.

 

[snowmonster]

Take some pics.

What skis do you have? Your skis wouldn't be the Fischer Porohetes, would it?

 

[Puck it]

Take some pics.

What skis do you have? Your skis wouldn't be the Fischer Porohetes, would it?

Will do. Yes, Prophetes. Why do you ask? I got them for $150 on BC last year as a ski to trash.

 

[snowmonster]

^ Spelling. Not trying to be a dick but I think one of us is not spelling it right if we're referring to the same ski.

 

[Puck it]

BC had them listed as prophetes. The correct spelling is yours as I looked at the ski when I mounting them. Sorry.

All mounted. Not problems. They seem very tight. Tested with the boot. Fine. I put the boot on and test each by leaning forward. Bent the ski quite a bit and nothing pulled out. I tested the bindings in skinning mode. Nothing seemed to loosen. The next test will be skiing.

Pics will be up loaded.

 

[snowmonster]

^ That's what I figured. The BC proofreaders aren't very thorough sometimes. Post up the pics. I am very curious about this. Took my RC 112s to the shop for mounting. I do my own waxing and tuning but will not touch mounting.