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  1. #11
    I happened to walk past a ticket window at Mt Snow today. I had to look, it was $118, on a Tuesday, about 70 percent open, with equipment damaging thin cover on lots of natural terrain. They claim 83 percent snow making. Crazy. I should have asked if they sold any tickets. Doubt it.

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  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    I tend to gravitate toward the $6.50 16oz 4 packs of Goose Island IPA. Not sure if this answers your question.
    I think we have our answer! Kidding...not looking to argue. Different people measure value in different ways it seems.

    I still contend, it is what it is. The industry as a whole is shifting with its pricing model/strategy and there is little we can do about it. I was excited about my Ikon pass purchase this summer and have been enjoying the flexibility and convenience of it. Not until I came back to AZ this season did I feel like a second class citizen for buying one.

    As far as day tickets, I buy in advance. Generally I have to plan ski days a few days in advance anyway so I never concern myself with the window rate. If I don't feel I'll get value out of a $70, $80, or $90 ticket, I'll simply look elsewhere.

  3. #13
    There may have been one friend who tagged along as a last minute 3rd wheel. They learned their lesson!
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Pico [2/23]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

  4. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    The industry as a whole is shifting with its pricing model/strategy and there is little we can do about it. I was excited about my Ikon pass purchase this summer and have been enjoying the flexibility and convenience of it. Not until I came back to AZ this season did I feel like a second class citizen for buying one.
    Well when I see numbers like a half million people reading some of these threads here, it's not super low traffic. Does leaving TripAdvisor and Yelp reviews affect business practices? If we have threads where the owner of a major high-ticket ski area is deciding to participate, can you really say it's on deaf ears?

    For one I don't care what other people buy, how they ski, where they ski, and so forth. I have self-interests in this sport (and this is probably one of the most selfish sports thus validating the high price) but I think I'm not a one-off either.
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Pico [2/23]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

  5. #15
    Recent anecdote that is appropriate here. My 17 year old daughter wanted to ski yesterday with her friends. Over the weekend, they collectively made the decision to night ski locally last night after looking into lift ticket prices at various places. If a group of highschoolers can figure it out on their own, I have little sympathy for grown ass adults being shocked by day-of window rates...

    They had fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Recent anecdote that is appropriate here. My 17 year old daughter wanted to ski yesterday with her friends. Over the weekend, they collectively made the decision to night ski locally last night after looking into lift ticket prices at various places. If a group of highschoolers can figure it out on their own, I have little sympathy for grown ass adults being shocked by day-of window rates...

    They had fun.
    Yup! +1

  7. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    Well when I see numbers like a half million people reading some of these threads here, it's not super low traffic. Does leaving TripAdvisor and Yelp reviews affect business practices? If we have threads where the owner of a major high-ticket ski area is deciding to participate, can you really say it's on deaf ears?
    Uhm...well, I did have some pretty detailed insight into what this site's reach was at its peak and I can tell you even then that we probably wouldn't have had much of an impact with influencing any industry pricing models based on what's posted here. AZ has had some influence on the operations side at times, but probably not much beyond that.

  8. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Uhm...well, I did have some pretty detailed insight into what this site's reach was at its peak and I can tell you even then that we probably wouldn't have had much of an impact with influencing any industry pricing models based on what's posted here. AZ has had some influence on the operations side at times, but probably not much beyond that.
    I was just referring to raw page hits unless vBulletin gives fake numbers it's relatively impressive.

    This season I'm rolling on:

    Ride and Ski NE Card (mostly for 50% off at Berkshire East - $22.50 week days)
    3 pack of Cannon tickets for $49/day
    MyChamplainValley/Fox44 Ski Card x2 ("sharing" with my wife who isn't skiing very much)
    4 pack of Ski Vermont Passes
    Warren Miller movie promos (early/late season Sugarbush and Smuggs passes primarily)

    You're preaching to the choir and I don't really have a bug up the arse over it. I just find $129/$139 excessive and prohibitive to a lot of people. We've outpaced inflation and this is mainly a Vermont probably IMO.
    2019/2020 season

    Berkshire East [12/20, 1/7, 1/10, 1/22, 1/24]
    Bretton Woods [1/3, 1/30]
    Cannon [2/19]
    Gunstock [1/2]
    Mad River Glen [1/29, 2/11]
    Mount Snow [11/14, 11/21, 12/2]
    Pico [2/23]
    Smugglers Notch [2/12]
    Wachusett [12/16]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Uhm...well, I did have some pretty detailed insight into what this site's reach was at its peak and I can tell you even then that we probably wouldn't have had much of an impact with influencing any industry pricing models based on what's posted here. AZ has had some influence on the operations side at times, but probably not much beyond that.
    But word is that Belleayre is allowing some bumps to form so there is that anyway.

  10. #20
    Quote Originally Posted by bdfreetuna View Post
    Berkshire East is $45 tomorrow and I'm getting 50% off so $22.50. So I guess that's where I start and we can work our way up if there's added value to the equation.

    But really Sugarbush $89 weekdays, same with Stowe/Killington and whoever else is doing triple digits+. Weekends I don't ski so if they want to jack people on rates do it then I guess. I think it's a fair system along with having tiered/advance pricing. Sugarbush is good that if you pay for Mount Ellen you don't have to pay for Sugarbush South. It should also be vice versa. I've never skied both mountains in a day so it never benefited me to pay for both.
    Ok. Well you can easily get tickets even lower than those prices at Sugarbush with planning even just a mere 2 days in advance (this Thursday is $77 online and even Friday is $84). Plan a little bit further in advance and any mid-week day next week you can get anywhere between $71 and $77. I think those prices are pretty reasonable. If you want a single ticket that you can use anytime even last minute, grab an $88 voucher from REI (need to be an REI member, but that is a $20 one time fee for a lifetime membership). And of course if you plan to go 4 days, you grab a Quad pack in the fall and pay even less per ticket than any of the numbers I mentioned above.

    Killington doesn't appear to ever be quite that cheap online no matter how far in advance you purchase. Next Tuesday/Wednesday right now online is $95 for K. Every remaining day this week is over $100 online for them.

    To be completely transparent, I could probably count on 1 hand the number of times I've paid a window rate in my life. Even when window rates were relatively low, I was still utilizing deals.

    I know window rates are easy to use for comparison over time, but they really don't tell the full picture at all. A far more interesting number (that almost none of us have access to or would be able to see) would be a comparison of the average day ticket price PAID over time. I know Win has mentioned in the SB thread that very few people today pay window rates. I wouldn't be surprised if years ago that wasn't the case as people had less incentive to look for deals. So years ago the average "paid" price was probably far closer to the window rate and today it is far lower than the window rate due to a much higher percentage of people using deals of some sort today vs 10-15 years ago. And today the information on what is available as far as discounts should be so much easier to find as well thanks to the Internet. I really have a hard time believing that even first timers do no research before showing up at a mountain. It is sort of like buying a car. No one pays the sticker price on a car. You do research and know what you should be able to talk the dealer down to that would be considered fair. I'd also argue that for first time skiers, chances are they aren't randomly deciding to try the sport completely on their own. SOMEONE (be it a friend or family member) is encouraging them to try it. At the very least that person should be aware of the various deals and tell the new skier about them.

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