Any body know anything about Hunter???

[catskillman]

Windham mountain just bought 450 acres..... they also bought a hotel that they are renovation for employee housing.

Windham Mountain Announces Over $9 Million in 22/23 Capital Investments and East Side Property Acquisition

/PRNewswire/ -- Windham Mountain announces the investment of over $9 million in capital improvement projects. Highlights of the capital expenditure include a...

www.prnewswire.com

 

[catskillman]

Cash is dirty. It's a fantastically effective fomite. It's probably a good thing to move away from, especially in our post pandemic world.

another thing noone is considering. Since they automatically add 18% to the tab, the bartenders wait staff etc. get the tips added to their W2. So they will be paying more in taxes, since you know they never declared all their tips. They also do not get it until their next pay period.

 

[RichT]

I don't understand how paying with a card makes the lines longer. Swiping a card is faster than counting cash and providing change... And if you mean it in the sense of you would usually just leave the cash on the bar and walk away when cash was an option, well I've never trusted doing that anyway (especially in a busy bar). If lines are that long to pay, then it sounds more like a staffing issue rather than a cash vs credit issue.

Also what discount? I get cash back on all my credit cards. Other than some gas stations, very rarely do I come across stores that offer a cash discount (or a credit surcharge).

BC at least in the bar, they have you sign the cc receipt. As for the discount, just about any restaurant has two prices on your bill now, one for cash or the other for credit.
CASH IS KING

 

[jimmywilson69]

I've literally never seen a cash or credit price anywhere but gas stations. Hell most of the restaurants/breweries I've visited recently you can pay right at the table either by scanning a QR code on the receipt or on the server has a tablet that takes the payment. A lot of the time you can use Apple or Google Pay to make a secure transation.

I'm not dismissing that cash doesn't have a place, but to say its king and preferred most places is flat out incorrect.

 

[cdskier]

I've literally never seen a cash or credit price anywhere but gas stations. Hell most of the restaurants/breweries I've visited recently you can pay right at the table either by scanning a QR code on the receipt or on the server has a tablet that takes the payment. A lot of the time you can use Apple or Google Pay to make a secure transation.

I'm not dismissing that cash doesn't have a place, but to say its king and preferred most places is flat out incorrect.

I can only think of one single restaurant that I know in NJ that used to (not sure if they still do) charge a surcharge for credit card use. Otherwise I've been to numerous restaurants in NJ, VT, MA, and NY over the past 6-12 months where I've never seen any different prices being charged.

 

[drjeff]

I can only think of one single restaurant that I know in NJ that used to (not sure if they still do) charge a surcharge for credit card use. Otherwise I've been to numerous restaurants in NJ, VT, MA, and NY over the past 6-12 months where I've never seen any different prices being charged.

The only ones I have experienced have been very small operations where the cost per item was typically $5-7 or less, and they seemed to be operating close enough to their margin that the extra say 0.5 to maybe 3% that most CC keep as processing/service fees, would likely be noticable at months end for their bottom line.

I am guessing that many a bar tender and/or say drive thru window staffer at say a coffee shop wishes it was only cash as it's much easier (and convenient) to just say "keep the change" rather than actually rather than fill out the tip line and total amount on a CC slip and/or figure out which of the 5%, 10%, 15% etc amounts you see as an option for some CC payment option modalities

 

[RichT]

I can only think of one single restaurant that I know in NJ that used to (not sure if they still do) charge a surcharge for credit card use. Otherwise I've been to numerous restaurants in NJ, VT, MA, and NY over the past 6-12 months where I've never seen any different prices being charged.

Just about every restaurant down in the Toms River area, and just this weekend up at Prime in Windham are doing it.

New Yorkers are furious over sneaky credit card surcharges

A long-running court battle that ended in January gives New York merchants the right to charge extra for credit card purchases as long as the pricing is clear. A long-running court battle that ende…

nypost.com

 

[skiur]

BC at least in the bar, they have you sign the cc receipt. As for the discount, just about any restaurant has two prices on your bill now, one for cash or the other for credit.
CASH IS KING

Cash is obsolete

And I have rarely seen a restaurant that had a separate price for cash and credit. Maybe a small diner but any real restaurant does not do that.

 

[cdskier]

Just about every restaurant down in the Toms River area, and just this weekend up at Prime in Windham are doing it.

New Yorkers are furious over sneaky credit card surcharges

A long-running court battle that ended in January gives New York merchants the right to charge extra for credit card purchases as long as the pricing is clear. A long-running court battle that ende…

nypost.com

A handful of restaurants that you've come across doing this is very different from "just about any restaurant" as you earlier claimed. Also an article from the NY Post from 3 years ago doesn't really prove much. A law changed back then in NY and it seems some restaurants tried to see what they could get away with at the time. Doesn't mean they are still doing it today. A lot has changed in the past 3 years.

In NJ the only restaurant I personally know that was doing this for a bit (and not sure if they still are) is in upper Bergen county. Otherwise I've been to numerous restaurants in Montclair, Hoboken, Jersey City, down the shore, Bridgewater, Bergen county, Passaic county and not seen this at any other places I've been. In MA none of the half dozen restaurants I went to in Cambridge/Boston on a business trip back in April did this. The only place I know of in VT near Sugarbush that did this only did it for a year or two and stopped with the extra fee 2 years ago and went back to the same price for cash/credit. In the Finger Lakes of NY none of the restaurants or wineries I've been to charge fees for credit cards.

If "Cash is King" as you claim...then the king is dead. Cash usage has been steadily declining for quite some time. I don't see that suddenly changing anytime soon.

And again back to the original point, there are a lot of things you can fault Vail for doing (or not doing), but going cashless is not one of them.

 

[raisingarizona]

another thing noone is considering. Since they automatically add 18% to the tab, the bartenders wait staff etc. get the tips added to their W2. So they will be paying more in taxes, since you know they never declared all their tips. They also do not get it until their next pay period.

As a restaurant worker for over 20 years, I do not like this information.

 

[zyk]

another thing noone is considering. Since they automatically add 18% to the tab, the bartenders wait staff etc. get the tips added to their W2. So they will be paying more in taxes, since you know they never declared all their tips. They also do not get it until their next pay period.

I despise this. In essence the establishment is just raising prices under the guise of a mandatory tip. If an establishment wants to raise prices and pay staff more just do that. Let the patrons decide the tips. Great service is worth much more than 18% and bad service is worth much less.

 

[skiur]

Any restaurants that automatically add the tip to the bill are restaurants that I don't go back to. A tip is dependent on the service I received. Give me great service and I will give you a 25% tip. Give me ok service I will give you 15%. Give me $hitty service and you don't get a tip.

 

[RichT]

A handful of restaurants that you've come across doing this is very different from "just about any restaurant" as you earlier claimed. Also an article from the NY Post from 3 years ago doesn't really prove much. A law changed back then in NY and it seems some restaurants tried to see what they could get away with at the time. Doesn't mean they are still doing it today. A lot has changed in the past 3 years.

In NJ the only restaurant I personally know that was doing this for a bit (and not sure if they still are) is in upper Bergen county. Otherwise I've been to numerous restaurants in Montclair, Hoboken, Jersey City, down the shore, Bridgewater, Bergen county, Passaic county and not seen this at any other places I've been. In MA none of the half dozen restaurants I went to in Cambridge/Boston on a business trip back in April did this. The only place I know of in VT near Sugarbush that did this only did it for a year or two and stopped with the extra fee 2 years ago and went back to the same price for cash/credit. In the Finger Lakes of NY none of the restaurants or wineries I've been to charge fees for credit cards.

If "Cash is King" as you claim...then the king is dead. Cash usage has been steadily declining for quite some time. I don't see that suddenly changing anytime soon.

And again back to the original point, there are a lot of things you can fault Vail for doing (or not doing), but going cashless is not one of them.

We'll see how this plays out.

 

[catskillman]

Tubing park will not be torn down this season. Does not mean it will open though. paid parking is rumored as a go, for the 2 lots. A bargain at $20

 

[catskillman]

Hunter had a job fair this week. Am told that there was next to no one that showed up!

Also, I went to the Albany Snow Expo and Hunter was not represented. The closest and largest mountain to the Albany area was not there. All others were represented, lot from Vermont, and some obscure Buffalo area mountains. Of course, Gore, Whiteface, Stratton, Smuggs.. you name it they were there.
I actually am happy they weren't there. May result in less skiers this season..........

 

[Newpylong]

Was Jiminy and West there? They're closer to Albany than Hunter, but obviously not as large.

 

[Great Bear]

I always have some cash on me just in case (or even to use to pay for small things like when I grab a bagel from the bagel shop). But I also have no issues with any business that chooses to be cashless. I don't really see why that is an issue to complain about either. Vail isn't the only one that has gone cashless.

I definitely wolud have an issue with a resort going cashless. Issues for me are that I really don't want to have a bunch of $4 and $8 charges on my card (like you describe if you are just grabbing a coffee or something). Other issue i have would be for my kids. My kids are old enough where i am comfortable with them going off and skiing on their own (and they do and i give them some money if they want to get a hot chocolate or lunch) - but I'm not going to put a credit card in their name.

So yes - a resort going cashless would be a big problem IMO

 

[skiur]

The world is going cashless sooner or later, mys we'll get used to it.

 

[Domeskier]

The cashless vending machine at work rats me out when I take a pop-tart break...

 

[IceEidolon]

If the resort is smart about it they'll do like Blue Mtn PA (but better/smarter/more convenient) and tie everything to your pass. So they could go cashless everywhere that isn't the ticket window where you load money on your pass - parents could give their kids the cashless meal plan with no credit card, you only need one piece of plastic, etc.

As far as I know, though, nobody has the user experience quite figured out, not as well as centuries of cash based payment is.