bear mountain mogul challenge

[MogulQueen]

congrats


"young guys coming off the tour"

So they allow pros in this comp?

Yeah. There was a LOT of complaining about that this year. These guys are technically "retired" now that they have been out for a year. They were allowed to compete. There were about 8 or so of them. Judges said that it was fair and that the ameuturs would love to get the chance to race these guys. The consensus among ameuturs was "that sucks". They were fun to watch and even more fun to watch as they went down.

 

[moguler6]

congrats


"young guys coming off the tour"

So they allow pros in this comp?

USSA licensed skiers are actually amateurs. As long you're not a current USSA licensed skier they've always let you enter. Look at most the names on the trophy, half of them are ex-USSA skiers. Beauregard, DJ, Rufus, Nordstrom, Mcgee, Brasard, etc. There are some names on the trophy from old Bud Pro Mogul Tour skiers. This is a tough argument, where is the line drawn. If you've skied in World Cup, NorAms, Nationals, USSA. If it's drawn at USSA, that will eliminate a third of the field, which was only 160 people this year. I know it would eliminate me.

 

[180]

Day 2 was really, really slick. I lost to a 20 year old fresh off the Norams. It is tough to say who is allowed and who is not. Clearly it amps the level up. There has always been a few ex-superstars, but now it seems like lot's more. But they do help fill the field, since the numbers continue to dwindle. The lack of campsites certainly takes a lot of the fun out of the day.

We have lot's of video that will be posted soon. Watching the good guys versus us old hacks makes for some great error analysis. I think it comes down to sore body parts.......

It was great to see #1 fall to #32 in the first dual of the day. Took a lot of the edge of my first run. I almost blew it going to slow against Joe.

 

[MogulQueen]

USSA licensed skiers are actually amateurs. As long you're not a current USSA licensed skier they've always let you enter. Look at most the names on the trophy, half of them are ex-USSA skiers. Beauregard, DJ, Rufus, Nordstrom, Mcgee, Brasard, etc. There are some names on the trophy from old Bud Pro Mogul Tour skiers. This is a tough argument, where is the line drawn. If you've skied in World Cup, NorAms, Nationals, USSA. If it's drawn at USSA, that will eliminate a third of the field, which was only 160 people this year. I know it would eliminate me.

I don't think all the complaining was directed toward the USSA skiers. It was mostly directed to the ones just coming off NorAms and World Cup. When the day was over, it really did not matter what kind of experience you had. I don't remember the name of the guy who came in 2nd, but he was just an amateur who skis at a little mountain in PA. He was amazing! And Bobby Z.(18yrs) no formal training taking third. BTW, Bobby should have been in the final duel. It looked like he beat Beauregard in his duel before the finals. I think the judges were just afraid what Beauregard might do if they didn't pick him.

 

[MogulQueen]

Day 2 was really, really slick. I lost to a 20 year old fresh off the Norams. It is tough to say who is allowed and who is not. Clearly it amps the level up. There has always been a few ex-superstars, but now it seems like lot's more. But they do help fill the field, since the numbers continue to dwindle. The lack of campsites certainly takes a lot of the fun out of the day.

We have lot's of video that will be posted soon. Watching the good guys versus us old hacks makes for some great error analysis. I think it comes down to sore body parts.......

It was great to see #1 fall to #32 in the first dual of the day. Took a lot of the edge of my first run. I almost blew it going to slow against Joe.

Great job racing Alan. You and the Hunter dudes really looked smooth and fast. I think I need to do some more training at Hunter!!!!!

 

[severine]

Congrats to all who competed! Nice job stepping up to the plate and going for it!

 

[180]

Great job racing Alan. You and the Hunter dudes really looked smooth and fast. I think I need to do some more training at Hunter!!!!!

Please come join us. Looks like a great weekend coming up.

Dave snapped his pole coming off the first jump, otherwise he might have had his name on the cup for a second time. It was great when it was over, my blood pressure went back to normal and we went all all over the mountain. Dipper Woods was surprisingly good and I skied till 3:30.

 

[moguler6]

We have lot's of video that will be posted soon. Watching the good guys versus us old hacks makes for some great error analysis. I think it comes down to sore body parts.......

Sweet, do you have day 1 video? I'm dying to see my crash.

 

[frankm938]

USSA licensed skiers are actually amateurs. As long you're not a current USSA licensed skier they've always let you enter. Look at most the names on the trophy, half of them are ex-USSA skiers. Beauregard, DJ, Rufus, Nordstrom, Mcgee, Brasard, etc. There are some names on the trophy from old Bud Pro Mogul Tour skiers. This is a tough argument, where is the line drawn. If you've skied in World Cup, NorAms, Nationals, USSA. If it's drawn at USSA, that will eliminate a third of the field, which was only 160 people this year. I know it would eliminate me.

part of the reason the numbers are down is because a lot of people dont want to get there doors blown off by a 20 year old fresh out of norams. another reason is the lack of on snow partying, in pre 2007 bmmc's many people joined for fun just to represent there ski house mates.
this year was a little over the top with all the ex noram/national level skiers at the comp.
they could open it up to all former and current ussa skiers and let them have there own duels on sunday. then let the real amateurs (who have never competed or were coached) have there duels.

 

[Greg]

Congrats to all the AZers that gave it a go.

 

[deadheadskier]

part of the reason the numbers are down is because a lot of people dont want to get there doors blown off by a 20 year old fresh out of norams. another reason is the lack of on snow partying, in pre 2007 bmmc's many people joined for fun just to represent there ski house mates.
this year was a little over the top with all the ex noram/national level skiers at the comp.
they could open it up to all former and current ussa skiers and let them have there own duels on sunday. then let the real amateurs (who have never competed or were coached) have there duels.

or make a separate division for the former pros and then have the winner of the amateur division take on the winner of the pros just for fun.

 

[bvibert]

Nice job by everybody!

 

[vertibump]

USSA licensed skiers are actually amateurs. As long you're not a current USSA licensed skier they've always let you enter. Look at most the names on the trophy, half of them are ex-USSA skiers. Beauregard, DJ, Rufus, Nordstrom, Mcgee, Brasard, etc. There are some names on the trophy from old Bud Pro Mogul Tour skiers. This is a tough argument, where is the line drawn. If you've skied in World Cup, NorAms, Nationals, USSA. If it's drawn at USSA, that will eliminate a third of the field, which was only 160 people this year. I know it would eliminate me.

Ruffus is not and never was a USSA athlete, he is one of those weekend warriors that maybe should have been USSA, but never was.

 

[moguler6]

Ruffus is not and never was a USSA athlete, he is one of those weekend warriors that maybe should have been USSA, but never was.

Jonathan Ruffus USSA# 5510474

I can probably dig out some old result sheets too.

 

[moguler6]

Put in Freestyle, 1998/1999 season, Eastern division and check out some of the mogul events. He's in a bunch of them including Eastern Championships.

http://www.ussa.org/magnoliaPublic/other/quicktools.html?path=6

 

[skinh]

good times

Our first time at bmmc. Went to see moe, but signed up my kids for the comp. They are college ski racers, but have never done moguls comp. They finished 41 and 43, one was faster and the other scored higher, so it was a good day. Loved the event. we'll be back.

 

[ozzy]

Jonathan Ruffus USSA# 5510474

I can probably dig out some old result sheets too.

can you find me a similar butt as ugly jacket that he used to ski in and we used to bust his balls resentlessly over it circa 1998? The thing was henious

 

[ozzy]

this year was a little over the top with all the ex noram/national level skiers at the comp.
they could open it up to all former and current ussa skiers and let them have there own duels on sunday. then let the real amateurs (who have never competed or were coached) have there duels.

nice. i like it!

 

[Greg]

this year was a little over the top with all the ex noram/national level skiers at the comp.
they could open it up to all former and current ussa skiers and let them have there own duels on sunday. then let the real amateurs (who have never competed or were coached) have there duels.

I hear ya bro. Us Sundown hackers feel the same way about the Killington rippers that have come down and invaded our little comps. :razz:

 

[Blanton]

There seems to be an awful lot of complaining on here about good skiers entering the contest. The fact that there are REAL skiers in this contest is the reason my buddies and I drove all the way from Ohio to compete. We drove 8 hours passed a very fun "Spring Bump Bash" because we wanted a challenging course and tough field. Did any of us place... no, however we did make the second day and also qualified higher than quite of few of the Killington regulars. I literally broke my ski in two on my run and had to ski something 13cm longer the following day. If I had won my first dual I was very pumped to ski against Filskov in the second round. I think it's pretty cool such world class skiers would want to ski a contest with "amatuers". Personaly, I hope there are a few more good skiers there next year as it adds credibility to the event, sport, and everyone involved.

As for the course, I felt it was challenging but very fun to ski. The score sheet stated it at 220m with a 23 degree pitch. After skiing it and watching my footage from last year it appears to be slightly shorter with more spaced bumps. The nature of the airs (and general ice) this year also prevented an air show that would have really seperated the pack.

I'll have a video up on my vimeo.com/joeriders page in the next few days (if not sooner).

Thanks to everyone who helped put the event on... it was a great time and plan to be back next year with more friends.