Belleayre to be part of ORDA?

[mondeo]

So, the park costs tax payers 3.75M a year. Donations make up the rest of the 25M. Belleyare costs taxpayers how much in comparison?

but it should be 100% privatized no? That's your stance on state run business. You never answered my question regarding NH being in the liquor business.

For 1.6M residents of Manhattan. And I'm betting they wouldn't mind if that entire $25m budget was changed to a tax only on residents of Manhattan.

And let's compare the benefits of tax subisised green space to tax subsidised skiing. Green space I'd count as slightly above a basic human need, and if you live in lower Manhattan, where else are you going to go? Skiing is a luxury.

 

[dmc]

And let's compare the benefits of tax subisised green space to tax subsidised skiing. Green space I'd count as slightly above a basic human need, and if you live in lower Manhattan, where else are you going to go? Skiing is a luxury.

Exactly.. We NEED parks... We don't NEED ski resorts..

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm really not arguing against Central Park and the costs of it. It's about threecy's assertion that any business that private entities can operate instead of the state should be leased.

 

[threecy]

I'm really not arguing against Central Park and the costs of it. It's about threecy's assertion that any business that private entities can operate instead of the state should be leased.

I didn't know they were installing and operating multi-hundred-thousand dollar tractors and multi-million dollar chairlifts at Central Park.

 

[deadheadskier]

I didn't know they were installing and operating multi-hundred-thousand dollar tractors and multi-million dollar chairlifts at Central Park.

I'll take the bet that the cost of purchase for Central Park's maintenance equipment exceeds that of Belleyare's grooming equipment.

 

[threecy]

I'll take the bet that the cost of purchase for Central Park's maintenance equipment exceeds that of Belleyare's grooming equipment.

The cost on the New York State Budget?

 

[dmc]

The cost on the New York State Budget?

The cost of wasted tax dollars from a place that COULD make money if they cleaned up some operating stuff - rather then tap our tax base year after year....

We need parks... We don't need skiing for people that feel all entitled to ski on NY's dime for some strange reason and defend it..

 

[catskillman]

Belleayre pays income, sales, mortgage, and hotel taxes?!?

IF Belleayre was making money (and a public co) they would pay income tax.

Sales tax is paid by Belleayre customers. Belleayre only collect's it and passes it over. They are also exempt from paying the NYS sales tax on purchases ... used to operate the mountain. They may also be exempt from paying local county taxes on purchases, I am not sure on this but I would bet they are. (in NYS the state tax is 4%, the remaining is set by the local counties.)

Hunter, Windham, Platikill all pay NYS taxes in many forms. Therefore, they are supporting the Belleayre loss. As am I.

 

[catskillman]

So should Belleayre charge NJ residents more than NY residents who are subsidizsing their loss?

I know Hunter & Windham have Greene county resident discount days periodically.

 

[dmc]

http://www.post-journal.com/page/co...odell-Votes-Against-Budget-Bill.html?nav=5004

For example, Mr. Goodell supported eliminating the proposed $15.7 million taxpayer subsidy for the state-owned Belleayre Ski Resort.

WHAT?!?!?! 15.7 million???!?!

 

[tjf67]

http://www.post-journal.com/page/co...odell-Votes-Against-Budget-Bill.html?nav=5004



WHAT?!?!?! 15.7 million???!?!

Well that is kinda funny. Its like saying you have 100k leaving your checking account each year, you are in serious trouble. Of course not knowing how much gets put into it its kinda hard to tell.

 

[Harvey]

I think you make more money if you get people to spend money at the bar. The yield on affluent 20-somethings and 30-somethings is much greater than the family that tends to brown bag it.

Maybe we are an anomaly.

At Gore, Centerplate runs all the concessions - the mountain gets 15% of food and beer revenue. Even so, we buy breakfast and lunch every day that we ski. We see 20 somethings doing BYOB.

Last year we bought 2 full passes , a season of daycare for one, 12 private lessons plus tip, season long Mtn Adventure (kiddie group lesson), one pair of Goretex pants, a turtlefur neck gaiter, probably 20-30 hand and foot warmers, a pair of mittens, and all that food listed above. I wouldn't be surprised if we spent $5k on the hill in a year. We aren't rich - that is every penny of our discretionary income for the year.

We may not be good customers, but they certainly treat us like we are.

 

[campgottagopee]

Maybe we are an anomaly.

At Gore, Centerplate runs all the concessions - the mountain gets 15% of food and beer revenue. Even so, we buy breakfast and lunch every day that we ski. We see 20 somethings doing BYOB.

Last year we bought 2 full passes , a season of daycare for one, 12 private lessons plus tip, season long Mtn Adventure (kiddie group lesson), one pair of Goretex pants, a turtlefur neck gaiter, probably 20-30 hand and foot warmers, a pair of mittens, and all that food listed above. I wouldn't be surprised if we spent $5k on the hill in a year. We aren't rich - that is every penny of our discretionary income for the year.

We may not be good customers, but they certainly treat us like we are.

Same @ Greek, Harv. The only 20 yo at the bar are the ones working.....drinks too much for them to hang which is fine by me.

 

[catskills]

Meanwhile Mt Snow forges ahead with a new 6 pack bubble chair, Hunter installs 2nd High speed lift, and Windham makes $2.4 million in improvements. Belleayre just keeps growing more rust.

 

[dmc]

Meanwhile Mt Snow forges ahead with a new 6 pack bubble chair, Hunter installs 2nd High speed lift, and Windham makes $2.4 million in improvements. Belleayre just keeps growing more rust.

They just need to turn a profit and buy the new stuff...

 

[x10003q]

They just need to turn a profit and buy the new stuff...

Belleayre never needs to turn a profit.

If this bothers you then take the bull by the horns and call your state senator and member of the assembly and ask them to start the ball rolling on amending the NYS constitution. Once this happens Belleayre can be sold.

Simple! :smile:

The problem for you now is that ORDA has their hooks into Belleayre and now the Catskills can join Gore in the Olympic Region.

 

[threecy]

Belleayre never needs to turn a profit.

If this bothers you then take the bull by the horns and call your state senator and member of the assembly and ask them to start the ball rolling on amending the NYS constitution. Once this happens Belleayre can be sold.

Who here was advocating for Belleayre being sold?

 

[dmc]

Who here was advocating for Belleayre being sold?

I just want them to do the right thing and turn a profit in these tight times..

 

[dmc]

http://www.watershedpost.com/2011/future-belleayre

The video calls out Hunter and Windham - but conveniently not Plattekill.
Probably easy to go after the big guys... But not 100% the truth as Platekill is JUST as vocal if not more then the others...

 

[tjf67]

I just want them to do the right thing and turn a profit in these tight times..

That is all I want to. I read in the paper up here that some catskill group is questioning the wisdom of turning it over to orda. They say if it were only a matter of making a profit then basically why didn't you convey that message to the other stewarts of the hill. They think may it should be turned over to Parks and Recreations or some other wacked out government group.


I beleieve it should be best for NYers. It there is a quasi government agency that is set up to run ski areas, doesn't make sense to roll it into that?

If I need my pot holes filled out side my house I would be really confused if I had to call the Department of Health.