Belleayre to be part of ORDA?

[ERJ-145CA]

Where can all these FREE Belleayre lift tickets be found... in New Jersey somewhere?

They litter the ground in Jersey, the DEC flies around in helicopters and drops them on the state, you can't miss them.

 

[Rambo]

They litter the ground in Jersey, the DEC flies around in helicopters and drops them on the state, you can't miss them.

All the McDonald's burger joints in NJ have stacks of free Bell. lift tickets.

 

[catskills]

Belleayre Coalition Endorses ORDA Move. Sees economic benefit for entire region. . This surprised me. :blink: If I read the tea leaves, this sounds like the best and only deal Belleayre is going to get.

 

[jaytrem]

Funny, I've skied both Hunter and Windham for free more times than I've skied Belleayre for free. Used Descente Passport tickets for Hunter/Windham (on holidays) 5 times total. Only skied Belleayre once for free on my birthday.

 

[threecy]

IMHO Americans National and State parks is our greatest asset. I would NEVER want to privatize America's National and State parks. I get the feeling you believe the government should not be running anything and we should privatize everything as much as possible.

There's a big difference between running a state park and running a multi-million dollar ski area.

 

[deadheadskier]

I bet Central Park in NYC costs tenfold to manage what Belleyare does......and brings in zero revenue.

 

[tjf67]

There's a big difference between running a state park and running a multi-million dollar ski area.

Niether r rocket science.

 

[threecy]

I bet Central Park in NYC costs tenfold to manage what Belleyare does......and brings in zero revenue.

"Designated a National Historic Landmark in 1963, the park is currently managed by the Central Park Conservancy under contract with the city government. The Conservancy is a nonprofit organization that contributes 85% of Central Park's $25 million dollar annual budget, and employs 80% of the park's maintenance staff." - Wikipedia

 

[deadheadskier]

So, the park costs tax payers 3.75M a year. Donations make up the rest of the 25M. Belleyare costs taxpayers how much in comparison?

but it should be 100% privatized no? That's your stance on state run business. You never answered my question regarding NH being in the liquor business.

 

[Geoff]

So,

Do you want to see NH get out of the liquor business to?

Essentially, your general feeling is private business will always trump gov't business in tax revenue generation and providing better jobs with benefits for those who are employed by such businesses.

The NH liquor business is an example of a state-run business done properly. They do about $500 million in sales and add about $130 million to the bottom line. They poach liquor sales from bordering states. All the highest volume liquor stores do more out of state business than local business. I'm a poster child for their model. All of my distilled alcohol and most of my wine comes from the NHSLS. I can't remember the last time I bought alcohol in Vermont and it's usually pretty infrequent in Massholia.

1 HAMPTON-North* $29.8
2 HAMPTON-South* $26.4
3 PORTSMOUTH* $22.8
4 SALEM* $21.6
5 HOOKSETT-North* $17.8
6 NASHUA $17.8
7 HOOKSETT-South $14.2
8 NASHUA* $14.0
9 W. LEBANON $11.2
10 KEENE* $9.7

 

[deadheadskier]

Oh, I agree completely. Just pointing out that threecy feels that privately run businesses are always better than state run businesses.

His whole 'phone book' stance......

 

[kartski]

He'll love this one. A Government owned ski area, run with tax dollars and not necessarily open to the public:

http://www.westpointmwr.com/ACTIVITY/SKI/index.HTM

I'm not for shutting it down or privatizing it either. They offer discounts for the poor (E6 and below.).

 

[Harvey]

BS - no value... People come up from NJ in the mini van all gassed up... Roll into Belleayre - ski for free - eat the packed lunch and go home.. No $$$ goes to the local economy.. And no tickets sold means no tax that goes into the economy.. I don't pay taxes to teach noobs from NJ to ski....

I'd bet a donut that Tony Lanza wants families from NJ skiing at Belleayre. Every mountain in the state claims to be a family mountain because families buy lessons, they rent ski gear, and they buy lift tickets.

Is it only the families from NJ that are screwing the NY tax payers or is it all families? How are they doing it? Are they doing something illegal or are they taking advantage of promotions that Belleayre is offering? The promo I saw from Bell most last year was a two-for-one lift ticket deal if you spent $50 in a local business. What other promos were out there?

The NJ hate is tiresome. Only the smallest mountains can run on local business.

 

[thinnmann]

Belleayre Coalition Endorses ORDA Move. Sees economic benefit for entire region. . This surprised me. :blink: If I read the tea leaves, this sounds like the best and only deal Belleayre is going to get.

Surprised me too. The Coalition's press release indicates that their support is dependent on local representation on ORDA, and on maintaining the staff that has been working there.

 

[Geoff]

I'd bet a donut that Tony Lanza wants families from NJ skiing at Belleayre. Every mountain in the state claims to be a family mountain because families buy lessons, they rent ski gear, and they buy lift tickets.

Is it only the families from NJ that are screwing the NY tax payers or is it all families? How are they doing it? Are they doing something illegal or are they taking advantage of promotions that Belleayre is offering? The promo I saw from Bell most last year was a two-for-one lift ticket deal if you spent $50 in a local business. What other promos were out there?

The NJ hate is tiresome. Only the smallest mountains can run on local business.

I think you make more money if you get people to spend money at the bar. The yield on affluent 20-somethings and 30-somethings is much greater than the family that tends to brown bag it.

 

[Harvey]

Surprised me too. The Coalition's press release indicates that their support is dependent on local representation on ORDA, and on maintaining the staff that has been working there.

I sensed resignation and fear in that press release.

While a million dollars may not seem like a lot in the grand scheme of the NY budget, politically it is important - it makes Bell vulnerable. Going forward "break even" or better is key IMO.

What does anyone think about the chance that Bell or the Cats will get representation on the ORDA BOD?

 

[thinnmann]

I think you make more money if you get people to spend money at the bar. The yield on affluent 20-somethings and 30-somethings is much greater than the family that tends to brown bag it.

Just as a point of example about the family experience at Bell and the ripple effect -

Last winter my NJ family of 4 skied 24 days at Bell, 5 at Gore, 1 at WF, 1 at Windham. Yes, we brown-bag it at Bell. But we spent a boatload of NJ money on NY lodging, food & drink, gas & tolls, lift tickets, race equipment and entry fees. Not to mention that speeding ticket from the local cop at 7 AM going downhill on the deserted state highway on the way to that race at W...

 

[Geoff]

Just as a point of example about the family experience at Bell and the ripple effect -

Last winter my NJ family of 4 skied 24 days at Bell, 5 at Gore, 1 at WF, 1 at Windham. Yes, we brown-bag it at Bell. But we spent a boatload of NJ money on NY lodging, food & drink, gas & tolls, lift tickets, race equipment and entry fees. Not to mention that speeding ticket from the local cop at 7 AM going downhill on the deserted state highway on the way to that race at W...

You've exactly made my point. You didn't spend squat at the ski area. Four 20-somethings spend much more.

 

[thinnmann]

You've exactly made my point. You didn't spend squat at the ski area. Four 20-somethings spend much more.

No... not over time.

For a typical 20-something's few days of skiing at Bell per year, they might buy a discounted lift ticket, lunch, a few beers. That is about $100. Let's say they do that two weekends - that is $400 per 20something per season. For 4 of them, that is $1600.

My family bought season tickets, the race program, dozens of hot chocolates, an occasional lunch, a bunch of beers. Total of about $1900 in tix and programs, couple of hundred in food and drinks = $2100. My family spent more than the 20somethings for the Belleayre winter budget, plus we put about another $7K into the local economy. Families with younger kids in programs spend even more.

 

[dmc]

I'd bet a donut that Tony Lanza wants families from NJ skiing at Belleayre. Every mountain in the state claims to be a family mountain because families buy lessons, they rent ski gear, and they buy lift tickets.

Is it only the families from NJ that are screwing the NY tax payers or is it all families? How are they doing it? Are they doing something illegal or are they taking advantage of promotions that Belleayre is offering? The promo I saw from Bell most last year was a two-for-one lift ticket deal if you spent $50 in a local business. What other promos were out there?

The NJ hate is tiresome. Only the smallest mountains can run on local business.

I don't hate NJ... Just relax..