Big Burke announcement

[VTKilarney]

We are just a couple days from one of the biggest ski weekends of the year. As we all know, Q Burke has very few hotel rooms nearby. And yet the Willoburke Inn and Lodge has several rooms still available for the entire weekend. Still plenty of rooms at the Wildflower Inn. Still plenty of rooms at the Lynnburke. Still plenty of rooms at the Inn at Mountain View Farm.

Kind of makes you wonder how they will fill all those rooms in the new hotel.

 

[River19]

We are just a couple days from one of the biggest ski weekends of the year. As we all know, Q Burke has very few hotel rooms nearby. And yet the Willoburke Inn and Lodge has several rooms still available for the entire weekend. Still plenty of rooms at the Wildflower Inn. Still plenty of rooms at the Lynnburke. Still plenty of rooms at the Inn at Mountain View Farm.

Kind of makes you wonder how they will fill all those rooms in the new hotel.

Honestly, I don't know.......there isn't enough other stuff/Woobly Barn type night spots etc.so the skiing will have to be friggin' outrageous to come close to bringing in enough people to fill the bulk of that hotel, plus all the condos for rent. And if they do come close to drawing significant numbers like that, that means the Willoburke, Wild Flower, Mountain View, Lynnburke etc. will be left praying the natural snow brings them at least a handful of decent snowmobile weekends which we haven't had in the past few years. Along with the small number of XC travelers and then of course the fat bikers......

 

[thetrailboss]

We are just a couple days from one of the biggest ski weekends of the year. As we all know, Q Burke has very few hotel rooms nearby. And yet the Willoburke Inn and Lodge has several rooms still available for the entire weekend. Still plenty of rooms at the Wildflower Inn. Still plenty of rooms at the Lynnburke. Still plenty of rooms at the Inn at Mountain View Farm.

Kind of makes you wonder how they will fill all those rooms in the new hotel.

Just goes to show that when Marge doesn't blow.....


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[VTKilarney]

At the risk of quickly opening an old Masskier wound, the year end real estate reports are in.

The final tally for Caledonia County:
- New condo listings were up 54.2%
- Non-St. Johnsbury condo sales were down 41.2%
- Median condo sales price is down 7.7%
- Average condo sales price is down 16.3%

 

[VTKilarney]

Just goes to show that when Marge doesn't blow.....

It certainly suggests that people probably pay attention to trail counts when they make reservations a couple of weeks ahead of time.

 

[Cannonball]

We are just a couple days from one of the biggest ski weekends of the year. As we all know, Q Burke has very few hotel rooms nearby. And yet the Willoburke Inn and Lodge has several rooms still available for the entire weekend. Still plenty of rooms at the Wildflower Inn. Still plenty of rooms at the Lynnburke. Still plenty of rooms at the Inn at Mountain View Farm.

Posting feature-length diatribes on here must be time consuming enough, do you really spend the rest of your day calling around to area lodging in order to find out if they have rooms available?

 

[deadheadskier]

Here's a question; why did Burke go with a property owned hotel vs. a condo/quarter share property? You know, something like Jackson Gore at Okemo. Is it because its EB-5 financed? Some of the accommodations include kitchens and multiple bedrooms no? Could Burke shift gears and start selling units after the place is built?

 

[VTKilarney]

Posting feature-length diatribes on here must be time consuming enough, do you really spend the rest of your day calling around to area lodging in order to find out if they have rooms available?

I was tipped off by Q Burke's Facebook page. Their marketing department drew attention to the fact that the local inn still has rooms. There's a thing called the Internet that took me five minutes to check the three other places. If you think that it takes a sizable portion of my day to find out availability at three hotels, then may God have mercy on your time management skills.


I'd rather be making substantive comments, even if it takes a small amount of research, than wasting my time posting about other people's posts and adding absolutely nothing substantive. But we clearly differ in that regard.

 

[Cannonball]

I'd rather be making substantive comments, even if it takes a small amount of research, than wasting my time posting about other people's posts and adding absolutely nothing substantive.

Or posting about about other people's non-posts?

I'll infer the answer from his silence since he's never been shy to comment about this when it satisfies his agenda.

This is substantive?

I think we're all clear on masskier's agenda. Haven't nailed down yours yet. Other than "I just care so much about the mountain".

 

[VTKilarney]

I think we're all clear on masskier's agenda. Haven't nailed down yours yet. Other than "I just care so much about the mountain".

Must everyone in every conversation have an agenda?

By the way, I'm looking for the moderator badge under your name. Surely it must have been forgotten. In any event, congratulations on assuming your new role here.

 

[Cannonball]

Must everyone in every conversation have an agenda?

By the way, I'm looking for the moderator badge under your name. Surely it must have been forgotten.

No, not everyone in every conversation must have an agenda. But when someone goes to enormous lengths to focus on a specific topic it appears like an agenda. Case in point: you.

If you feel like be challenged equals being moderated than you might be a touch defensive.

 

[VTKilarney]

No, not everyone in every conversation must have an agenda. But when someone goes to enormous lengths to focus on a specific topic it appears like an agenda. Case in point: you.

If you feel like be challenged equals being moderated than you might be a touch defensive.

I'd love it if more people challenged me. My point was that if you want to challenge me, bring on some facts! I've yet to see you do that. Thus, you are acting more like a conversation moderator than a bona fide participant.

The most I've seen from opposing viewpoints are things like, "But everyone's happy!", or "My "artistic" interpretation beats actual data from actual realtors any day of the week!"

 

[BenedictGomez]

Here's a question; why did Burke go with a property owned hotel vs. a condo/quarter share property? You know, something like Jackson Gore at Okemo. Is it because its EB-5 financed?

No idea what the primary consideration was, but obviously getting EB-5 makes the "hotel hurdle" much easier, because you're not as instantly pressured to get ROI out of the project since it's been literally handed to you.

 

[VTKilarney]

No idea what the primary consideration was, but obviously getting EB-5 makes the "hotel hurdle" much easier, because you're not as instantly pressured to get ROI out of the project since it's been literally handed to you.

Or perhaps there isn't enough of a market for a new condo hotel and the existing condos?

 

[Cannonball]

I'd love it if more people challenged me. My point was that if you want to challenge me, bring on some facts! I've yet to see you do that.

What about my question about whether or not the hotel is no longer ahead of schedule - and is perhaps behind schedule now?

Even if you use the dates in the original timeline that contemplated a late July start, the wooden wall panels on the 5th level of the west wing should be nearly finished. And on the west wing, the wood floor trusses should be installed up to the 4th level.

Looking at the webcam, it looks like they aren't at that point. But my eyes certainly could be deceiving me.

Fact: It's been F'ing freezing out. When I skiied Burke recently I couldn't believe the framers were out there working on the hotel. I felt so bad for those dudes.
Fact: If you left your keyboard and webcam view for a minute to go work outside you might realize just how brutal that really is.
Fact: Working outdoors in subzero temperatures can reduce productivity.

Fact: It is therefore minimally relevant (and appears agenda driven) that you are nitpicking which walls are up based on a webcam view in order to set the stage for some indictment of the whole operation.

 

[VTKilarney]

Fact: It's been F'ing freezing out. When I skiied Burke recently I couldn't believe the framers were out there working on the hotel. I felt so bad for those dudes.
Fact: If you left your keyboard and webcam view for a minute to go work outside you might realize just how brutal that really is.
Fact: Working outdoors in subzero temperatures can reduce productivity.

Fact: It is therefore minimally relevant (and appears agenda driven) that you are nitpicking which walls are up based on a webcam view in order to set the stage for some indictment of the whole operation.

You'd have a point if the change in overall progress didn't happen until the cold snap. But that's not at all the case. Try again.

 

[Cannonball]

You'd have a point if the change in overall progress didn't happen until the cold snap. But that's not at all the case. Try again.

Oh, I thought you brought it up today. No? When did the overall change in progress take place exactly? Why did you wait until today to bring it up if it isn't recent? And what is the relevance?

 

[VTKilarney]

Oh, I thought you brought it up today. No? When did the overall change in progress take place exactly? Why did you wait until today to bring it up if it isn't recent? And what is the relevance?

Back to your non-fact pestering? I'll pass.

 

[deadheadskier]

Another question......what kind of integration / central reservation system exists currently at Burke with all the various condo units they have? How's that all going to get wrapped in with the hotel? Does the mountain have a lodging division? If the mountain thinks they can get by with such inexperienced management to run ski resort operations, what type of people are they going to try and hire to run lodging? Hint: The candidate needs greater qualifications than just having been an Assistant General Manger from a Motel 6. This is a bit more than a "leave the light on for you" job.

 

[thetrailboss]

I think this will be the only thread in history to hit 3,000 posts twice in week. :lol: