Marc
New member
WTF, my Outback is supposed to be 18/24? Out here in the country I get 27. And the vehicle has 150k+ miles. I smell fish.
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C.A.R.S.your car qualify???
- Thread starter campgottagopee
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You must drive like an old woman...
hammer
Active member
I get 25 from my Outback on summer gas and it has 175K miles.
Marc
New member
Yeah, I actually do drive like an old woman... minus the swerving, abrupt, blinkerless lane changes and other erratic behaviors.
Hawkshot99
Active member
Plus they are geared very low.
Good point. I hadn't even considered that, and I should have...
You should now flog yourself for such a transgression. Man card revoked. ;-)
eastcoastpowderhound
New member
ditto for me...98 outback with 145K.
mondeo
New member
Wide tires, too.
eastcoastpowderhound
New member
I usually accellerate like an old woman...the car is an old woman (over 10yrs old and 145k) but I'm going 72-78 on the highway
eastcoastpowderhound
New member
If i was using this to trade a car in and get $4500 I wouldnt argue with the stats...but since I'm not, I'll say the site isn't accurate for what we get for mileage on our 2 cars. I already mentioned my outback, the wife's 07 tribeca averages 21.9 not the 18 thats stated. This is combined over the 30K miles we've had it with most of that driving done around town...seconday roads, some lights, but not "city" type stop and go. On the highway we get 23 without trying and can get 25 if we're trying...not stomping on the gas when merging on the highway or leaving tolls and driving in the low 70s.
severine
New member
As Brian said, my 1998 Blazer qualifies. I'm lucky if I get 14mpg and it claims 14mpg city/19mpg hwy on that site. I hate that POS and it isn't even worth $1K with all that's wrong with it so it would be a deal for me, if I could afford a car payment for the difference for upgrading.
campgottagopee
New member
That's just it---there's no arguing---whatever the site says is what you have to go by. It's designed to tell you what your cars combined MPG is/was when it was new.
I think this "program" is more hype than reality, and it's obvious the goverment never consulted with any dealer body before laying this plan out. You talk about a monkey doing something to a football---geez.
This Cash for Clunkers law is kind of confusing. It seems the dealerships do not even have a firm list of what qualifies and what does not.
Here is my story. My uncle went in May the day after I bought my Subaru to order buy a 2010 Prius. He heard they were out so I went with him to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Scion. We were told they are not in and will not be in until late July / early August. He decided to buy one and put down $500 and ordered a Prius II. We also told the sales consultant that there is a car to be traded in under the CARS program.
Fast forward to July 10th. My uncle gets a call that the Prius will be here on the 17th. I called the dealer and told him he has a car that qualifies for the CARS program. I told the make & model and I was told it did not qualify. I was told the fuel economy needs to be a combined 18 MPG or less. Also, no car can be delivered until 7/24/09 as that is the “official” day the program begins.
I went to the Fueleconomy.gov site and saw the vehicle gets a combined 18 MPG under the “new” EPA guidelines. I also went to the CARS website and verified the requirements and the car in question DOES qualify.
I went to the Toyota website since they have a listing of eligible vehicles and I did not find the car on the list. The car in question is 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis V8. However, the Ford Crown Victoria does. These are identical vehicles – same engine, tranny and drivetrain. I went to the Ford website and they have a similar list of cars and the Grand Marquis qualifies.
On July 10th I listed the car for sale locally and was hoping to have it sold – just in case we run into an issue with the CARS program.
On July 18th we went to the Toyota dealer and were going to get the figures & go over the trade (CARS program), set up a delivery date. The sales management team could not firmly give an answer whether or not the Grand Marquis would qualify. I showed the print outs from the CARS site and FuelEconomy.gov site showing that it does. They told us that we have to wait until the 24th before we could take delivery of the Prius under the CARS program. They said that they have a “voucher” reserved for my uncle and would know more on the 24th.
At this point in time why does the dealer not know if this car that is being traded in qualifies??????? I gave the print outs from the “official” government sites. If it does not qualify they are giving $3,000 for a trade in for a 1 owner, never seen snow, low mileage car. I had it listed for $5,000.
Later in the morning I was at Wal*Mart and received a phone call from a potential buyer. I shoot home to show the car and, Yes! I have a buyer!!! I got, for my uncle, $300 below what the CARS voucher would have been for the trade in on the Prius. I am very happy that this worked out and perfect timing.
How come this CARS program is confusing? How come there is no uniformity to what qualifies and what does not? Originally I checked the FuelEconomy.gov site and the car DID NOT qualify but now it does. Why is this so difficult?
Here is my story. My uncle went in May the day after I bought my Subaru to order buy a 2010 Prius. He heard they were out so I went with him to the Toyota dealer where I bought my Scion. We were told they are not in and will not be in until late July / early August. He decided to buy one and put down $500 and ordered a Prius II. We also told the sales consultant that there is a car to be traded in under the CARS program.
Fast forward to July 10th. My uncle gets a call that the Prius will be here on the 17th. I called the dealer and told him he has a car that qualifies for the CARS program. I told the make & model and I was told it did not qualify. I was told the fuel economy needs to be a combined 18 MPG or less. Also, no car can be delivered until 7/24/09 as that is the “official” day the program begins.
I went to the Fueleconomy.gov site and saw the vehicle gets a combined 18 MPG under the “new” EPA guidelines. I also went to the CARS website and verified the requirements and the car in question DOES qualify.
I went to the Toyota website since they have a listing of eligible vehicles and I did not find the car on the list. The car in question is 2000 Mercury Grand Marquis V8. However, the Ford Crown Victoria does. These are identical vehicles – same engine, tranny and drivetrain. I went to the Ford website and they have a similar list of cars and the Grand Marquis qualifies.
On July 10th I listed the car for sale locally and was hoping to have it sold – just in case we run into an issue with the CARS program.
On July 18th we went to the Toyota dealer and were going to get the figures & go over the trade (CARS program), set up a delivery date. The sales management team could not firmly give an answer whether or not the Grand Marquis would qualify. I showed the print outs from the CARS site and FuelEconomy.gov site showing that it does. They told us that we have to wait until the 24th before we could take delivery of the Prius under the CARS program. They said that they have a “voucher” reserved for my uncle and would know more on the 24th.
At this point in time why does the dealer not know if this car that is being traded in qualifies??????? I gave the print outs from the “official” government sites. If it does not qualify they are giving $3,000 for a trade in for a 1 owner, never seen snow, low mileage car. I had it listed for $5,000.
Later in the morning I was at Wal*Mart and received a phone call from a potential buyer. I shoot home to show the car and, Yes! I have a buyer!!! I got, for my uncle, $300 below what the CARS voucher would have been for the trade in on the Prius. I am very happy that this worked out and perfect timing.
How come this CARS program is confusing? How come there is no uniformity to what qualifies and what does not? Originally I checked the FuelEconomy.gov site and the car DID NOT qualify but now it does. Why is this so difficult?
mondeo
New member
Uh, government program?
My neighbor is a salesman at a local Ford dealer and he says it's definitely helping with car sales significantly. The dealership is fronting the cash until the program goes online.
campgottagopee
New member
We have a winer---reminds me of a monkey doing something to a football.
Even when the program goes "live", dealers still have to front the money, nice.
I have an 04 4runner with 160k miles on it. Now if they put the 4.5k on top of what the trade is i would swap out. The way it stands now is it does not make sense.
So Camp. The dealers are going to get reimbursed 4.5k for the clunkers. Are you guys then going to turn around and sell them off to a developing country? Sounds like the only people getting the deals are the dealerships. I am probably wrong but it looks that way to me.
So Camp. The dealers are going to get reimbursed 4.5k for the clunkers. Are you guys then going to turn around and sell them off to a developing country? Sounds like the only people getting the deals are the dealerships. I am probably wrong but it looks that way to me.
campgottagopee
New member
The cars need to be crushed and proof of that must be sent to the Gov (along with an arms length of documentation) before "we" get the customers rebate money. The "deal" isn't in the trade but the rebate---an 04 Toy Runner isn't a "clunker", but a 98 Dodge Ram 15 Passanger van is. Got it??
From what I understand the dealership has to show proof that the car was scrapped in order to be reimbursed.
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