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jack97: Yes - I''ve often been told that A&E is how folks actually control their speed, rather than edging. Thats my goal...

All: I think I understand the tall begets crouching thing. So you';re saying because I'm tall I'm subconciously trying to lower my center of gravity by crouching? Thats an interesting concept. And it makes sense. THanks for the insight.
 

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For some reason this thread reminds me of these guys:

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All: I think I understand the tall begets crouching thing. So you';re saying because I'm tall I'm subconciously trying to lower my center of gravity by crouching? Thats an interesting concept. And it makes sense. THanks for the insight.

I'm 6'3"...crouching is my number 1 issue at the start of every season.

I learned to stop crouching by making sure I keep my chin up and my eyes looking 6-7 bumps ahead of where I am. I'll put my goggles down underneath my chin to prevent my head from dropping down. Try it.
 

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test1.jpg



Here's another attempt on the image.


Check out where the rotational center of the bumps; point A on top of the skier and point B underneath the skier. Absorption puts the center of mass (CM) away from the center of point A. While extension puts the CM away from point B. Recall going away from the rotational center reduces the kinetic energy hence the lowers the velocity of the skier. Performing the A&E does control speed.

The physic is saying this but execution is another matter. Got to practice the technique.
 
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I'm 6'3"...crouching is my number 1 issue at the start of every season.

I learned to stop crouching by making sure I keep my chin up and my eyes looking 6-7 bumps ahead of where I am. I'll put my goggles down underneath my chin to prevent my head from dropping down. Try it.

Gonna try that one. Thanks.
 

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Gonna try that one. Thanks.

I believe another suggestion Jim once had was to try to accentuate the "c-curve" in your lower back. This will sort of cause you to "spread you wings" and kind of puff out your chest a little bit. This also helps keep you out of the back seat which will all know is deadly in the bumps.
 

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I believe another suggestion Jim once had was to try to accentuate the "c-curve" in your lower back. This will sort of cause you to "spread you wings" and kind of puff out your chest a little bit. This also helps keep you out of the back seat which will all know is deadly in the bumps.

Another way of saying, "keep your hips up (towards the sky) and forward (down the hill)".

That's how Dan DiPiro describes it in his book.
 

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i'm starting to think "keep it simple" may be a pretty good mantra. I've read so much about bump skiing this off-season my head is starting to spin. Dont get me wrong, i totally enjoy the threads but i think i'm gonna focus on just one simple thing this year.
 

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i'm starting to think "keep it simple" may be a pretty good mantra. I've read so much about bump skiing this off-season my head is starting to spin. Dont get me wrong, i totally enjoy the threads but i think i'm gonna focus on just one simple thing this year.

Hands?
 

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Another way of saying, "keep your hips up (towards the sky) and forward (down the hill)".

That's how Dan DiPiro describes it in his book.

No offense to Dan, but the straight or almost inverted c curved back makes more intuitive sense to me. Good posture, in other words.
 

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i'm starting to think "keep it simple" may be a pretty good mantra. I've read so much about bump skiing this off-season my head is starting to spin. Dont get me wrong, i totally enjoy the threads but i think i'm gonna focus on just one simple thing this year.

That's a good move.
 

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i look at these pics and i see one thing over and over.

patbottomskier.jpeg


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pathunter1.jpeg


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My tips are UP when they should already be driving down the backside. If you compare them to the diagram Jack97 put up (yes unfair in that his skier is worlds better then i'll ever be) his tips are almost never off the snow. Thats my goal, and i have a hunch by doing this, it may improve some of the hand motion i currently use.
 

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i look at these pics and i see one thing over and over.

patbottomskier.jpeg


sundown2.jpg


pathunter1.jpeg


bumpin.jpg



My tips are UP when they should already be driving down the backside. If you compare them to the diagram Jack97 put up (yes unfair in that his skier is worlds better then i'll ever be) his tips are almost never off the snow. Thats my goal, and i have a hunch by doing this, it may improve some of the hand motion i currently use.

The first pic is pretty diagnostic...your tips are up in the air a bit. And if you look at the last pic you'll see why...your hips are back when they should be driving forward. Keeping your hand up and in front will help that, as well as keeping your head up and looking ahead.

In the first pic, I'm the skier in yellow behind you...I'm better at keeping my hips forward and my hands up and forward, but I have to work on keeping my skis 6 inches closer together.
 

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The first pic is pretty diagnostic...your tips are up in the air a bit. And if you look at the last pic you'll see why...your hips are back when they should be driving forward. Keeping your hand up and in front will help that, as well as keeping your head up and looking ahead.

In the first pic, I'm the skier in yellow behind you...I'm better at keeping my hips forward and my hands up and forward, but I have to work on keeping my skis 6 inches closer together.

And perhaps turning earlier would help 2knees as well. I read a tip once that suggest you think "TGIF" for "tips go in first." You have to look ahead as well, so your turns are pre-emptive instead of reactionary.
 

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My tips are UP when they should already be driving down the backside. If you compare them to the diagram Jack97 put up (yes unfair in that his skier is worlds better then i'll ever be) his tips are almost never off the snow. Thats my goal, and i have a hunch by doing this, it may improve some of the hand motion i currently use.

If you just slow it down a tad in the bumps, this will probably all fall into place. I know how you like to slam through them as fast as possible though...
 

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If you just slow it down a tad in the bumps, this will probably all fall into place. I know how you like to slam through them as fast as possible though...

Sometimes slowing things down actually leads to going faster.
 

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Sometimes slowing things down actually leads to going faster.

Took me a second to figure out what you mean, but you're right. There's a certain speed you need to let yourself get up to to be able to get into a rhythm and effectively A&E. Not letting yourself get up to that speed sometimes results in backseating and we all know what happens then...
 

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Took me a second to figure out what you mean, but you're right. There's a certain speed you need to let yourself get up to to be able to get into a rhythm and effectively A&E. Not letting yourself get up to that speed sometimes results in backseating and we all know what happens then...

Try skiing a bump run as slow as you possibly can. You'll find that you depend mostly on very quick rotary only turns to do well. So, going slow can make your feet quicker.

Now pick up the pace and add some A&E...you'll be amazed at how comfortable you'll begin to feel going faster and faster.
 

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2knees, lots of good advice. One thing I think is most important is staying off the backseat. If your weight/CM is not center then you; can’t perform quick rotary turns, can’t drive the tips down and use the full range of A&E. The montage I posted shows the bumper is centered.

Usually a skier takes their problems from the flats to the bumps. I would get someone to check out whether you get on the backseat when making turns on the flats. If you are, bring that hip forward (as Jim stated). If your off the back seat, be aware of where your hips are. Bring that awareness to the bumps when you’re in the tall position and when you're driving the hip up and forward during the extension.


Man, I’m getting stoked, I got to sneak out and make some turns.
 
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