Environmental Damage at Cannon Mountain Ski Area

[Puck it]

Believe me I don't. They're all probably under some gag order at the expense of their jobs. I think Cannon employees were banned from ever skiing Mittersill.

I just think if anyone should be taunted about this it should be someone like John DeVivo.

I also think ski area's should monitor forums like AZ and SJ. If they don't they're just hiding they're heads in the sand. Like saying "La la la - I'm not listening". It would be typical. :-?

Not true. Cannon emplyees skied it a lot before the official transfer. They just did not wear there Cannon employee jackets.

 

[Abubob]

Not true. Cannon emplyees skied it a lot before the official transfer. They just did not wear there Cannon employee jackets.

Oh, I'm not saying they didn't - just saying officially they were't "supposed" to. But then again no one was. :razz:

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Really?

This should not come as a surprise. If you've been following the threecy M.O. on all things Cannon related, it's ready, fire, aim - facts be damned. You want to know why there was such a reaction to pics that are seemingly of concern?

1) He used his own, agenda-driven website as the "source" for this breaking news w/o disclosing the connection - 100% shady and credibility destroying

2) Whenever he is asked a question where the answer may not conform to his agenda, he ignores it, preferring instead to focus on the disparate factoids that may conform to same. This is just the latest example.

3) He makes completely unsubstantiated claims, such as that Cannon mgmt is solely responsible for the damage rather than the CTEC contractor, and then tries to weasel out of said claim when challenged. "I have no reason to believe [CTEC] was responsible".

Really? He has no reason to believe they weren't responsible either.

4) He made a huge stink (his initial foray on AZ into his anti-Cannon crusade) about the fact that Cannon installed a new double chair as the Mittersill lift. He stated categorically that it was a waste fo money that no private operator would ever done. Yet, when challenged with numerous examples of ski areas installing new fixed grip lifts in recent years in favor of used ones, he refuses to acknowledge the relevance of same to Cannon.

5) He made this stink w/o disclosing that he apparently has ties to a used lift broker - bit of a conflict of interest there.


This is the problem with ideologues like threecy. They may even have a good point sometimes (such as the damage at Cannon) but it is wrapped so tightly in an agenda-driven narrative that you have to discount the source almost entirely.

Oh yeah, he doesn't know shit about the Red Sox either.

 

[threecy]

1) He used his own, agenda-driven website as the "source" for this breaking news w/o disclosing the connection - 100% shady and credibility destroying

Without disclosing the connection? Let's see, the photos were literally linked to the site...

3) He makes completely unsubstantiated claims, such as that Cannon mgmt is solely responsible for the damage rather than the CTEC contractor, and then tries to weasel out of said claim when challenged. "I have no reason to believe [CTEC] was responsible".

Really? He has no reason to believe they weren't responsible either.

Do you know anything about Doppelmayr-CTEC? Have you ever seen them cause such damage with an install? I believe they were responsible for stablizing the lift line - perhaps the only area over there that was generally done well (and is currently growing grass).

5) He made this stink w/o disclosing that he apparently has ties to a used lift broker - bit of a conflict of interest there.

I have ties to a lot of people in the industry. Perhaps I have a conflict of interest in disclosing the recurring losses at the Cannon ski school because I have ties to ski instructors and directors, past and present?

 

[riverc0il]

Without disclosing the connection? Let's see, the photos were literally linked to the site...

A site that no one knew was yours until posters called you out on it. It was not public knowledge until after you used it as a source. That is not full disclosure and a credibility problem.

Do you know anything about Doppelmayr-CTEC? Have you ever seen them cause such damage with an install?

So your reasoning on this issue is that because you nor anyone on this forum has ever witness something that it never happens? By that reasoning, I have never SEEN Cannon employees cause damage during a lift installation either. Which is not to say it couldn't happen just because I have never seen it happen or it might not have happened before. But the same applies to both Cannon and Dopp/CTEC.

 

[Cannonball]

Those are the kind of questions that should be answered.

What about it, threecy? Can you ignore the sniping and answer Cannonball's questions?

I don't have anything to post about that at this time.

Then I don't have any reason to believe you or consider this a real problem at this time.

 

[deadheadskier]

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1) He used his own, agenda-driven website as the "source" for this breaking news w/o disclosing the connection - 100% shady and credibility destroying

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perhaps more news of this damage will show up on Franconia's 'community' webpage

http://www.gofranconia.com/

 

[Puck it]

Sounds like the damage has been fixed per some info on Snowjournal. Anyone know for sure. It sounds like they waitied to let things dry out to not do anymore damage. If the info is correct.

 

[jimmywilson69]

That's good. It sounds like they do know what they are doing over there...

 

[Tin Woodsman]

Sounds like the damage has been fixed per some info on Snowjournal. Anyone know for sure. It sounds like they waitied to let things dry out to not do anymore damage. If the info is correct.

I eagerly await updates on this portion of the story from the threecy media empire.

 

[thetrailboss]

I eagerly await updates on this portion of the story from the threecy media empire.

It is good news for Cannon. So I doubt that he will post about it.

 

[threecy]

The last update I posted was from early July: "Cannon Mountain Ski Area has begun to attempt to fix some of the issues. It remains to be seen if the damage already incurred can be corrected and at what cost to the state."

I have not been on that side of Cannon in recent weeks so I have no new photos.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I think we covered that it would be fairly inexpensive to repair the erosion that has been detailed.

It's no like they had to move thousands of cubic yards of dirt to make it happen.

 

[deadheadskier]

For someone so zealous about leasing Cannon to generate revenue equivalent to 1/100th of 1 percent of the state budget, I don't think threecy cares if it costs the State only a dollar.

This is about political idelogy Jimmy, not money and environmental damage as threecy is trying to convince people with his multiple websites attacking State management of New Hampshire's premier park.

 

[threecy]

This is about political idelogy Jimmy, not money and environmental damage as threecy is trying to convince people with his multiple websites attacking State management of New Hampshire's premier park.

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

Multiple web sites?

The state is the entity banning people from accessing the 264 acres of ski trails without skis due to "environmental concerns" - yet this was allowed to happen. Certainly a lot more of an impact on the environment then people on foot.

 

[thetrailboss]

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

But that is a perspective that is rooted in an ideological view.

The state is the entity banning people from accessing the 264 acres of ski trails without skis due to "environmental concerns" - yet this was allowed to happen. Certainly a lot more of an impact on the environment then people on foot.

Sounds like that ban worked well to keep you out a few weeks ago when you went to inspect Mittersill.

 

[Puck it]

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

Multiple web sites?

The state is the entity banning people from accessing the 264 acres of ski trails without skis due to "environmental concerns" - yet this was allowed to happen. Certainly a lot more of an impact on the environment then people on foot.

Is your Mom making meatloaf, today?

 

[deadheadskier]

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

Multiple web sites?
.

Yes, political ideology. You just confirmed it.

Yes multiple websites

taxpayersforcannon

gofranconia

the facebook page

never mind at least two forums that I am aware of you campaigning on

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

Multiple web sites?

The state is the entity banning people from accessing the 264 acres of ski trails without skis due to "environmental concerns" - yet this was allowed to happen. Certainly a lot more of an impact on the environment then people on foot.

Question, does Cannon have marked on map hiking trails? If they do, why is it important for one to hike up the ski trails?

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

Political ideology? I don't think government should be spending millions of dollars to run a major alpine ski area in a state that already has plenty of major alpine ski areas.

Multiple web sites?

The state is the entity banning people from accessing the 264 acres of ski trails without skis due to "environmental concerns" - yet this was allowed to happen. Certainly a lot more of an impact on the environment then people on foot.

Your environmental concerns are not without merit, but I think you are going a little bit over the top just to push your distaste for Cannon being state run. The damage while not acceptable wasn't all that bad, especially considering they are fixing the problem (according to others) and I doubt they are fixing the issue due to your vigilance. Stick to your larger point, that you don't want Cannon on the government books. When you start attacking Cannon over other issues it seems like spilled milk. You really lose a lot of credibility.