Environmental Damage at Cannon Mountain Ski Area

[riverc0il]

The photos of the bare ledge on Skyline were not part of the access road - somebody decided to cut off the access road and go direct to the top of the chair. I have no reason to believe this was Doppelmayr CTEC.

Just for clarification purposes.... if Skyline was not used for the access road... then what trail was?

 

[Cannonball]

Threecy I was just checking out your site. You mention that "Under pressure from state elected officials, Cannon Mountain Ski Area has begun to attempt to fix some of the issues." Do you have any updates on how the fixes are coming?

Do you have any info on why this was handled by "state elected officials" instead of NH DES? That wouldn't be the usual pathway for an environmental damage complaint.

Thanks

 

[threecy]

Just for clarification purposes.... if Skyline was not used for the access road... then what trail was?

A small part (below the ledge exposing erosion) was used as the access road. It goes up Ridge Run (I believe the name was) to Skyline, then cuts back toward the lift at the next crossover, just above that hairpin turn.

 

[jaytrem]

The photos of the bare ledge on Skyline were not part of the access road - somebody decided to cut off the access road and go direct to the top of the chair. I have no reason to believe this was Doppelmayr CTEC.

I wonder if the damage could have been caused by Jeep/4WD folks. I've known some people who've poached ski areas. Could have been CTEC, could have been mountain employees. I guess until somebody admits it we won't really know.

 

[deadheadskier]

I wonder if the damage could have been caused by Jeep/4WD folks. I've known some people who've poached ski areas. Could have been CTEC, could have been mountain employees. I guess until somebody admits it we won't really know.

prolly John Lynch going for a joy ride in a state owned oil leaking Skidder

prolly

:lol:

 

[Puck it]

A small part (below the ledge exposing erosion) was used as the access road. It goes up Ridge Run (I believe the name was) to Skyline, then cuts back toward the lift at the next crossover, just above that hairpin turn.

Are you talking the area where the F is labelled on the map? So, what was the exact path used for the road from the base? Trace it on the map if you would please.

 

[threecy]

Are you talking the area where the F is labelled on the map? So, what was the exact path used for the road from the base?

That map is not to scale, so it would be pretty tough to trace it out. The access road heads up trail "F" on that map - that portion of it is in okay shape. Below the top of the newer T-Bar, on the opposite side of the double chair lift line, was fairly eroded gravel. Above the hairpin turn (since the area below "F" has not been actively reclaimed, but does open up once you get a little below it), the access road quickly switchbacks to the lift line, the dawdles around from there to the top terminal, with some traffic dropping back onto Skyline further up.

 

[Puck it]

That map is not to scale, so it would be pretty tough to trace it out. The access road heads up trail "F" on that map - that portion of it is in okay shape. Below the top of the newer T-Bar, on the opposite side of the double chair lift line, was fairly eroded gravel. Above the hairpin turn (since the area below "F" has not been actively reclaimed, but does open up once you get a little below it), the access road quickly switchbacks to the lift line, the dawdles around from there to the top terminal, with some traffic dropping back onto Skyline further up.

So draw it in on this aerial view then.

 

[threecy]

So draw it in on this aerial view then.

No, but thank you though...the text description should be adequate. I'm allowed to use the "deadheadskier" precedent for providing data, especially since I have zero credibility.

 

[Puck it]

No, but thank you though...the text description should be adequate. I'm allowed to use the "deadheadskier" precedent for providing data, especially since I have zero credibility.

Wow. Why be an arse about it? This is what I get from your text.

 

[deadheadskier]

No, but thank you though...the text description should be adequate. I'm allowed to use the "deadheadskier" precedent for providing data, especially since I have zero credibility.

and that precedent is.......

If I don't know the data, I say I don't know. Try it some time

 

[threecy]

Wow. Why be an arse about it?

Let's see, you've accused me of environmental crimes and have taken your odd obsession with me onto other forums online. Why should I jump to fulfill your every demand?

If I don't know the data, I say I don't know. Try it some time

Yet you still stood by your claim and attempted to quantify it with make believe data. So again, you've stood by your unsubstantiated claim, which is not the same as saying "I don't know."

 

[Puck it]

Let's see, you've accused me of environmental crimes and have taken your odd obsession with me onto other forums online. Why should I jump to fulfill your every demand?

What odd obsession is that? I happen to think you have an axe to grind with the state. I have never accused you of anything, just tried to substantiate the rumors flying around. Again you avoid the question!

 

[deadheadskier]

Yet you still stood by your claim and attempted to quantify it with make believe data. So again, you've stood by your unsubstantiated claim, which is not the same as saying "I don't know."

ok buddy

I told you twice I couldn't provide you data. It was only after being pestered by you a third time that I gave an educated guess based off the only data I had, annual skier visits. I even said it was an approximation.


Never once did I say I claimed to know exactly how much money the State makes from tolls by Cannon skiers. My point was valid. The State makes money off of tolls from skiers travelling to Cannon. It is a 100% true claim, that you can't argue against.

So where exactly is the problem here? That's a question for anyone, not just Threecy.

 

[Abubob]

I gotta say I'm very disappointed with the response to a (in my view) legitimate complaint.

The first few posts focused on the photos that were posted and slowly turned into a full attack on threecy. Why? All anyone on this thread has done is complain about threecy's "ax to grind" and "political agenda". :flame:

If I had seen this kind of damage in a State Park that doesn't allow hiking in the ski trails to avoid trail damage I'd wonder if this wasn't the reason - They don't want people to see what they do.

I don't give a rat's patootee what threecy's political agenda is. What I want to know is what does Cannon management say? Did they cause it? If so what will they do to fix it?

I'm just really tired of the sniping here. :uzi: Focus people! I'd like to know what really going on.

 

[threecy]

Wow. Why be an arse about it?

What odd obsession is that?

I don't believe I've so much as met you in person, yet you seem content on accusing me of environmental destruction - to the point of which you start a thread bashing me another web site (of which I'm not a member).

Here's a quote from a thread you started about me elsewhere with foul language deleted, just to illustrate to others your 'odd obsession' with me.

Anybody see what that [deleted] started on AZ now about Cannon? That guy is a real [deleted] bag

 

[Puck it]

I gotta say I'm very disappointed with the response to a (in my view) legitimate complaint.

The first few posts focused on the photos that were posted and slowly turned into a full attack on threecy. Why? All anyone on this thread has done is complain about threecy's "ax to grind" and "political agenda". :flame:

If I had seen this kind of damage in a State Park that doesn't allow hiking in the ski trails to avoid trail damage I'd wonder if this wasn't the reason - They don't want people to see what they do.

I don't give a rat's patootee what threecy's political agenda is. What I want to know is what does Cannon management say? Did they cause it? If so what will they do to fix it?

I'm just really tired of the sniping here. :uzi: Focus people! I'd like to know what really going on.

The problem is he only desseminates his propaganda without any other media or etc backing it up. And never fully divulges all of the information.

 

[jimmywilson69]

I'm just really tired of the sniping here. :uzi: Focus people! I'd like to know what really going on.

yeah, take the Threecy bashing back to the original Cannon thread.

Seriously though, has anyone contacted Cannon about this, NHDEP??? Anyone, Bueler, Threecy, ANYONE???

 

[Puck it]

I don't believe I've so much as met you in person, yet you seem content on accusing me of environmental destruction - to the point of which you start a thread bashing me another web site (of which I'm not a member).

Here's a quote from a thread you started about me elsewhere with foul language deleted, just to illustrate to others your 'odd obsession' with me.

What is so odd about it calling out your bullcrap!!!!!!

 

[Abubob]

The problem is he only desseminates his propaganda without any other media or etc backing it up. And never fully divulges all of the information.

I thought the photos were pretty compelling. Plus - he didn't grab from another source. I have no doubts that they're his own photos. What else would you want - a video of John DeVivo bulldozing rubble onto the woods?